I'm surprised the Shell doesn't have one.
Posted on 09/22/2012 6:21:31 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
Edited on 09/22/2012 6:23:39 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
A woman on her way to work fatally shot another motorist she said attacked her after a minor collision in northwest Harris County, officials said.
Crystal Scott, 23, pulled into a Shell station on Perry near west FM 1960 about 7:20 a.m. Monday with the intention of exchanging insurance information with the other driver, officials said.
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MrTeymour 5:29 PM on September 21, 2012
I am appauled at my fellow gun lovers that spew thier garbage before getting all the facts in a case. This lady had many other choices than to shoot this young man. The info I have , that came from a family member of the young man that was shot, reflects that the story written here is a bit mis-leading at best. No where did it mention that she actually missed with the first shot, but she did chase the young man away with that shot. Then she got out of her car and chased him and then shot and killed him. I have a hard time understanding why this would be considered self defense. In my mind, she committed murder or manslaughter at least. It is cases like this one that will destroy the ability of the law abiding citizen to protect ourselves.
Huge thread on this here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2934309/posts
The article mentions eyewitnesses that seem to support the woman’s story. The man’s family wasn’t around to see anything that refuted the eye-witnesses’ account.
This is the latest comment to the article:
MrTeymour 5:29 PM on September 21, 2012
I am appauled at my fellow gun lovers that spew thier garbage before getting all the facts in a case. This lady had many other choices than to shoot this young man. The info I have , that came from a family member of the young man that was shot, reflects that the story written here is a bit mis-leading at best. No where did it mention that she actually missed with the first shot, but she did chase the young man away with that shot. Then she got out of her car and chased him and then shot and killed him. I have a hard time understanding why this would be considered self defense. In my mind, she committed murder or manslaughter at least. It is cases like this one that will destroy the ability of the law abiding citizen to protect ourselves.
He had two bullets in his chest.
yes
At 4:30 in the morning a man slewed his car sideways on the freeway entrance ramp causing me to hit my brakes. A massive man got out of this tiny car and stormed towards me screaming I had my truck’s bright lights on. (I did, but was not aware of it.) I had a gun in my hand, but as he got to my window I realized he wasn’t armed so I switched to pepper spray. I cracked the window down and apologized profusely. He seemed uncertain; perhaps because he was used to being a bully and I didn’t react the way he expected. I was excruciatingly polite. He said, “Well, okay then,” got in his car and left.
I always thought outrageous displays of anger were dangerous to both parties. I would have felt very badly shooting this young man. I probably would have tried backing up first, but getting into a chase is doubly stupid. I don’t believe I would have shot him unless he managed to reach me.
I saw this young man several days later in the Publix parking lot. He radiated dumb bully as only 250 pounds of 6’4” muscle can radiate. I will wager the deputies in the district new his name and address off the top of their heads.
In this story, it would be interesting to know the back story on both parties.
They conveniently omit what the dead guy's passenger had to say, though.
The Progressive press is so eager for blacks to kill whites under color of law that they don't really need any facts.
Obviously a suicide.
Long thread at this link:
http://www.speroforum.com/a/ABTQXCNTFM32/73128-Black-woman-stands-her-ground-kills-white-man
And I'm curious as to your source for information. None of the news reports I've been able to find say anything about her chasing him down and killing him. You say it comes from family members, yet none of them were there, where they?
It’s the difference between being pinned down with yiur head being bashed inot the concrete on the one hand, and being in a locked car with ample means of safe escape on the other. Zimmerman appears to have been within the law, and this woman appears not to have been, on the basis of what is known and the law.
By the way, it seems to have been confirmed that the dead man had two bullets in his chest. That does not appear to be very supportive of the woman’s claim.
You haven't been right since you have been here -- 2012-08-04.
So where are you any different from those who condemned Zimmerman out of hand?
Big difference from her situation and Zimmerman's that night.
You say she had choices, Zimmerman had choices.
Name hers and name Zimmerman's
She could have retreated, Zimmerman could have retreated.
Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. She wasn't.
In the end Zimmerman believed he needed to do what he did to protect himself, so did this woman. Nobody had to die in either case.
Who are you kidding.??? He was bleeding with a broken nose and having his head banged on the concrete and being prevented from getting up, and Martin was reaching for his weapon, or are you living in some kind of fantasy world???
But neither person acted outside of the law as it exists.
Baloney. If she got out of the safety of her car and shot him she was not acting in self defense but going on the offense.
Yet you applaud one and want to hang the other.
You are the one applauding her actions and justifying the unjustifiable.
And I'm curious as to your source for information.
I posted it -- something you haven't done.
None of the news reports I've been able to find say anything about her chasing him down and killing him.
How can there be two bullets in his chest and only one bullet hole in the window unless she got out of the car to shoot him???
You say it comes from family members, yet none of them were there, where they?
The single bullet hole in the side window and the two bullets in the chest were there and they speak loudly.
She was in a public place in broad daylight, safely inside her locked car and had a weapon.
The guy had only had his driver's license and insurance card.
She sounds a lot like a murderer to me, but I'm not on the jury.
Excellent move! Too many folks in situations like that let their pride get in the way. The goal in such situations is NOT to "teach the bum a lesson", or anything like that.
The goal is to avoid physical injury. You achieved that goal, so you won!
Now, if Option 1 (politeness) doesn't work, you need to be ready with Option 2 (stern demeanor). Sometimes just a quick switch from polite to stern will cool an aggressor down.
Then there's Option 3 (a weapon of some kind). And you were ready there too.
Here is one comment on the Houston Chronicle article that I hope is not true:
Estban 4:59 PM on September 20, 2012
I stopped at the station today and was discouraged of the fact that there are not any cameras monitoring the general area where the shooting took place. There is one pointing to where the young man parked his truck, but none pointing at the back of the lot where her car was parked.
I assume you did so because I repeatedly stated yesterday that, just as FReepers advised with the beginning of the Zimmerman case, we should take caution to wait until the facts come in before drawing conclusions.
If the contents of this anonymous internet comment are true, you've added some excellent information that's damning.
Have you been able to substantiate any of this? I've tried, but haven't found anything in any article, any police statement, any eyewitness statement (well, the driblets in the press), or anywhere else.
As long as anonymous internet comments are being put on the table, should we throw into the mix the one contained in the story you posted yesterday, where a guy says he's known the victim since high school and says the victim 'wasn't a nice guy' and "got into altercations"?
Let's keep following this to see what additional facts come forward (and I guess, if you want, additional anonymous internet comments). I want to know what the cameras show, what the eyewitnesses actually said, and the circumstances of that second shot. Like you, I only see one bullet hole in the windows - and the victim had two bullet holes in his chest. I don't see how the best $10 lawyer in Ponca City can explain that to me.
I'm surprised the Shell doesn't have one.
If this is true, and she shot him down as he was running away, then it's at least Second Degree Murder.
"No where did it mention that she actually missed with the first shot, but she did chase the young man away with that shot."
The shot through the window appears to have angled into the metal surrounding the window. It's hard to imagine how that could have hit him from the angle of it??
So there were probably three shots. The first one inside the car was probably muzzled and no one heard it. The two outside spaced so close together that they sounded like one to the witnesses.
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