Maybe its the water.

If the rate is so crazy high in your locality, then it is NOT the vaccines since the same vaccines are everywhere else.

The water has tons of harmful hormones in it due to the crazy amounts of birth control pill hormones that get pissed away each day.

Maybe your local water system doesn’t filter them very well.

It’s both. Government and Big Pharma are one and the same.

A few elites call ALL the “shots” for government and media and international corporations—so to say-—they plan the mandates, etc., and plan and pay for the research and give grants to those who find the “correct” results. They only graduate doctors who repeat their ideology and thinking and studies.

TV is bad, yes. Amish, though, who had much less “Autistic” kids than normal population-—found that it was the kids they adopted who had had the shots who got the “Autism”-—so that rules out TV for me. I wrote a paper on Autism in the 90’s and read the studies at that time. (The studies are not necessarily the “truth” though-—it is what Big Pharma allows out.)

People who go off the bandwagon like Wakefield will be destroyed and vilified—just like the Birthers, Global Warming Deniers, Rush Limbaugh’s are today. They want to CONTROL the information and it can only say what “truth” they allow. That is Marxist ideology. Sorry to clue you in-—but we no longer live in a free, Constitutional Republic. Our information has been controlled since John Dewey took over our schools in the 30’s.

Truth is really hidden and slapped down as soon as it sees any light. Internet has helped greatly—and they are trying to get control of it as I speak. They censor Wikipedia and most sites (not FR)—and demonize everything which contradicts their trillion dollar industry. They want our children sickly and parents too busy to be able to stop their totalitarian takeover of the World.

I also know families—like mine—that allowed no or little TV and their kids got autism. Mine didn’t but I put off shots until older babies and got no Hep B shots at all, etc. Definitely no flu shots—ever.

Another thing. All vaccinations have KNOWN toxins in them. What is “SAFE” for a tiny baby whose body is not capable of preventing toxins from going directly to the brain???????? Maturity is essential for ability to eliminate toxins from the body—and babies can’t do it. And here—where is the logic—we intentionally put TOXINS into their tiny bodies??????? Are you insane?????? WHY? So they don’t get Hep B—something from unsafe sex or drug abuse????

Autism is caused by toxins which destroy the neurons in the brain-—It gets into the body HOW?-—

Very much like when a kid gets mercury poisoning from fish—same exact behaviors. Just check out mercury poisoning signs and Autism signs sometime. It is scary that our government is intentionally poisoning the “next” generation. I fully believe it because I have studied it and studied the intentional destruction of the minds of children in public schools—BKEakman/Iserbyt. There are evil, Satanic people in control of everything—even zero—who are out to destroy the individual, Christian people. They want God dead and they will do EVERYTHING to kill Him including child sacrifice. They find Satanic practices which demean God and His Creation (sodomy/orgies) fun.

>>found that it was the kids they adopted who had had the shots who got the “Autism”-—so that rules out TV for me<<

Why?
If kids are adopted, then they actually were either neglected, fostered or institutionalized. Does that mean that none of them were stuck in front of a tv? Not really. You did a paper in the 90s and the research from WebMD listed above is from 2006.

“Big Pharma” has saved countless lives. More every day.

>>Autism is caused by toxins which destroy the neurons in the brain-<<

There is NO definitive cause of Autism.

It’ll be in the next reauthorization of IDEA. I’m a teacher of children with IEP’s and I was in a conference where we were shown a preview of some of the new regs and upcoming changes. It will be harder to become eligible for services in many areas, and especially in the area of autism. I THINK IDEA is due for the next reauthorization in early 2013 with implementation in 2014.

“Government and Big Pharma are one and the same.”

http://pogoblog.typepad.com/pogo/2011/08/janet-woodcock-miss-piñata-meets-clue-stick.html

The Business Class bought the Political Regulator Class just so they wouldn’t have to compete among themselves.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2897171/posts?q=1&;page=51

i put quite a few links in that one if you ever want to use them as a clue-stick yourself, to make your opening point.

Thanks for the links!

Just do your own research. Everything I said was said by an “expert” —maybe just a theory-—as everything at this point is. My theory—is that the Vaccine companies know they are poisoning our children and it is intentional.

You never answered my common sense question. Why would any sane doctor put known toxins into a healthy baby when they know that all toxins go directly to the brain since they are unable to filter toxins like older children?

Why put Hep B—3 Times-—these known toxins to PREVENT a sexual disease?????? Give me a break. Those doctors should be in prison-—if not for intentional EVIL , for incredible STUPIDITY. They are useful idiots for Big Pharma.

http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/the-amish-medical-experiment-no-vaccines-no-autism-is-there-at-link/

http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/44.htm

I do agree with you that Big Pharma is not the ONLY problem—and it may just be one aspect of the Autism epidemic. But it is part of the blame, for sure, and they know they are guilty.

Just Law is always reasoned and promotes Virtue. Welfare Laws , etc., are all unconstitutional since it promotes sloth and immorality and children out of wedlock.

We need to get back to the family unit being responsible for raising and educating their own children. Government out of schools and textbooks.

Government out of the “Arts”-—they promote sewage with confiscation of taxpayer money. Government can only promote Virtue (Justice)and have no business subsidizing their agenda with taxpayer money.

Flouride —hazardous waste which lowers IQ—has got to be taken out of water. Medication in water is unethical. (Nuremberg).

Obscenity Laws enforced. Free Speech does not extend to debased, inhumane language which destroys civil societies and corrupts the young.

etc. etc. etc. Common Sense.

Very interesting. No wonder my kids who got vaccines were all fine, because no fetal tissue was being used in the vaccines.

God has his ways of dealing with those who disobey his laws.

Did autism increase by leaps and bounds or is it being vastly overdiagnosed. The same issue occurs with ADD/ADHD....
is it really more prevalent or is it being hugely overdiagnosed.
Both conditions are based on clinical judgement, not objective
lab or imaging tests like most diseases.

And if you read the statement in full, the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life reaffirmed a person's right to abstain from receiving vaccines that were prepared from cells derived from aborted fetuses, but it said such a choice must be made after carefully considering whether refusing the vaccination would pose serious health risks to the child and the larger public.

In other words, it stressed the importance of allowing Catholics to refuse on moral grounds vaccines that utilize human fetal cell lines while putting pressure on the pharmaceutical industry to look for alternatives to vaccines that do not use human cell lines as a growth medium but also admits that currently for some vaccines there is presently no alternative and that choice must be weighed against the greater benefit that comes from vaccinating against diseases like Rubella.

As regards the diseases against which there are no alternative vaccines which are available and ethically acceptable, it is right to abstain from using these vaccines if it can be done without causing children, and indirectly the population as a whole, to undergo significant risks to their health. However, if the latter are exposed to considerable dangers to their health, vaccines with moral problems pertaining to them may also be used on a temporary basis. The moral reason is that the duty to avoid passive material cooperation is not obligatory if there is grave inconvenience. Moreover, we find, in such a case, a proportional reason, in order to accept the use of these vaccines in the presence of the danger of favouring the spread of the pathological agent, due to the lack of vaccination of children. This is particularly true in the case of vaccination against German measles.

In any case, there remains a moral duty to continue to fight and to employ every lawful means in order to make life difficult for the pharmaceutical industries which act unscrupulously and unethically. However, the burden of this important battle cannot and must not fall on innocent children and on the health situation of the population - especially with regard to pregnant women.

To summarize, it must be confirmed that:

there is a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems;

as regards the vaccines without an alternative, the need to contest so that others may be prepared must be reaffirmed, as should be the lawfulness of using the former in the meantime insomuch as is necessary in order to avoid a serious risk not only for one's own children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole - especially for pregnant women;

the lawfulness of the use of these vaccines should not be misinterpreted as a declaration of the lawfulness of their production, marketing and use, but is to be understood as being a passive material cooperation and, in its mildest and remotest sense, also active, morally justified as an extrema ratio due to the necessity to provide for the good of one's children and of the people who come in contact with the children (pregnant women);

such cooperation occurs in a context of moral coercion of the conscience of parents, who are forced to choose to act against their conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the population as a whole at risk. This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible.

Again it is important to note that while abortion is evil and the cell lines in use today did indeed come from two abortions performed in the early 1960’s, not only as a medium for growing weakened or inactive virus, but also in many other medical research uses, it is against Federal law and has been for some time to donate fetal tissue or for the parents’ or doctors from profiting from such a donation. In other words, pharmaceuticals that use fetal cell lines use the two self-replicating cell lines; MRC-5 and WI-38 and have for over 30 years and the use of these cell lines is in no way related to or dependent on any subsequent abortions. While that doesn’t change the fact and the original immorality of the two abortions performed some 30 years ago, the conscious and moral decision to receive vaccinations that utilize fetal cell lines must be weighed against the benefits of not vaccinating against deadly diseases like Rubella that caused the death and grave deformities of untold countless babies before the vaccine was available.

And to clarify again, vaccines do not contain fetal tissues; if they did they would be fatal in nearly all cases as injection of human tissues into another person cannot be done safely unless there is a very close tissue match. This is why blood donations and organ transplants must be carefully matched to the recipient.

As a doctor, you should know this.

Please do not put words in my mouth while calling me a liar. I never said that babies are aborted today, and don’t need your condescending b.s. It sounds like you’re perfectly fine with the aborted babies one generation ago messing with today’s babies.

You stated: “Since they put aborted this, aborted that (from babies to various animals) tissues in many vaccines, and a lot of it IS on purpose to dumb the population down, if not kill us off faster, I’m not surprised.”

I didn’t call you a liar nor was I trying to be condescending to you, I simply pointed out that contrary to what you stated; vaccines do not contain human or animal tissues. These sort of false statements, whether a misunderstanding or a perpetuation of false information or a purposeful twisting and stretching of fact, actually do harm to the pro-life movement as they are so easily and scientifically refuted.

“It sounds like you’re perfectly fine with the aborted babies one generation ago messing with today’s babies” – talk about putting words into someone’s mouth.

As far as “aborted babies one generation ago messing with today’s babies” and is “done on purpose to dumb the population down”, that sounds to me as if you believe that vaccinations cause Autism. That also has been proven false. Rubella on the other hand, when contracted by an unvaccinated pregnant mother especially during the first and second trimesters, greatly increases the risk of many birth defects including heart problems, vision problems (blindness), hearing problems (deafness), intellectual disability (mental retardation and Autism spectrum disorders), bone problems, growth problems, and liver and spleen damage as well as miscarriage, still birth and premature birth.

It's interesting how the vaccine conspiracy theorists immediately blame "corporate greed" for the imaginary link between autism and vaccines and for the imaginary cover-up.

The seething hatred for and the suspicion of free enterprise sound much more like the Occupy movement than they sound like conservatism.

While I suppose the Normalcy Bias is “natural” in man, it certainly doesn't appear to be much of a positive or self-preserving instinct. And I'm not so sure that Free Debate and Truth is ever an effective counter -- look at all of the truth and evidence that surrounds us now, and observe how much of it is constantly shunted aside (by the operation of the Normalcy Bias) with the constant cries of “this is the U.S., that'll never happen here...” and “what kind of tin-foil hatter are you, the gubmint and/or doctors and/or large corporations would never do that...” It seems to me that the Normalcy Bias is closely related to some sort of fear mechanism that prevents people from coming to grips with truth, in particular, truths that make them extremely uncomfortable. It also seems that the older a person is (and hence the number of decades of being brainwashed mount up), the harder it is for many to accept the fact that many fundamental “truths” we have been led to believe, are in fact complete lies and distortions. While I recognize that my personal experiences are anecdotal, most of my contemporaries (who are in their 50's and 60's) are far less willing to break free of the Normalcy Bias clutches than are younger folk in their 20's and 30's.

As far as public education goes I completely agree; however, it didn't start with Dewey, its evil roots were established long before him:

“In 1852 when the state of Massachusetts pioneered the first program of public education in America, it decided to borrow as its model the Prussian educational system, the then reigning paradigm of educational discipline and efficiency. The designers of the Prussian system did not share Condorcet's concern with teaching children to think for themselves. The German philosopher Johann Gottlieb Fichte, an enthusiastic supporter of the Jacobins during the French Revolution, had been one of the spiritual architects of the Prussian system. Fichte summed up his philosophy of public education by saying: 'If you want to influence [the pupil] at all, you must do more than merely talk to him; you must fashion him, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will. ... The new education must produce this stable and unhesitating will according to a sure and infallible rule.' This method of teaching no doubt produces the kind of orderly discipline necessary for mass education to work at all, and yet it is also the doctrine of education embraced by all subsequent forms of totalitarian government and eerily prophetic of George Orwell's Newspeak.”
-- Lee Harris, The Next American Civil War, The Populist Revolt against the Liberal Elite

And while I understand (and agree that you are correct!) the rest of your post, there are countless numbers of “well-educated and informed Conservatives” that will tell us that none of it is true (or could never be true) because the Normalcy Bias (with its attendant emotional anchors) tells them so!

>>Why would any sane doctor put known toxins into a healthy baby when they know that all toxins go directly to the brain since they are unable to filter toxins like older children?<<

Because EVERY medicine is a toxin. Every filler to a medication is a toxin. One must weight the good with the bad.

I didn’t get my kids Gardisil or chicken pox. We NEVER get the flu vaccine. It’s a balancing act of good outweighing bad.

Medicine is not a precise science. It’s a guessing game and while I agree with you that we as parents need to make our own call, there are vaccines where the good far outweigh the bad. Polio is one example.

Agreed. The Troofers or the Faked-Moon-Landing types also spring to mind.

April 21, 2010

Vaccines made with fetal cells causing autism?

Well, hm. I've never heard this angle before, but it makes total, creepy sense....

An EPA study published February 16 in Environmental Science & Technology (pdf of study here) found that a marked increase in the incidence of autism began in 1988. See table above; click to enlarge.

The study found, "Although the debate about the nature of increasing autism continues, the potential for this increase to be real and involve exogenous environmental stressors exists."

According to the April newsletter of the Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute, this is the year the 2nd dose of the MMR vaccine was added to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices vaccine recommendations.

SCPI found 3 "change points" in autism trends - 1981, 1988, and 1995. And here is what correlated to those years (click to enlarge):

I've always read it was mercury in vaccines that was implicated in autism, although many studies state this isn't true. According to the SCPI newsletter:

Interestingly,the vaccines that can be associated with the autism trend change points never contained mercurcy, and some animal produced vaccines used universally in the US before 1979 contained levels of mercury as high, if not higher, than current levels.

In light of the EPA's findings, American Life League today joined SCPI in calling for a Fair Labeling and Informed Consent Act.

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if the same sort of ideological culprits we see covering up the abortion-breast cancer link are also involved here. This would be a huge, huge blow to embryonic stem cell experimentation, for instance. That, and/or big pharma sees huge class action lawsuits on the horizon if this is proven.

Right to Life of MIchigan has posted 2 easy to read charts listing vaccines made with aborted fetal stem cell lines and their moral and potentially safer alternatives.

That virus-laden DNA of aborted babies could be wreaking havoc on the DNA of healthy children is completely plausible.

[HT: Yvonne B.]

Posted 04/21/10

Study Confirms Autism Boom - Correlates with Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines

by LifeSiteNews.com

Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:15 EST
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By John Jalsevac

Washington, DC, April 20, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A recent study by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has confirmed 1988 as a “change point” in the rise of Autism Disorder rates in the U.S. - a date that pro-life leaders say correlates with the introduction of fetal cells for use in vaccines.

While the EPA study does not speculate into the cause of the jump in autism rates, and makes no mention of aborted fetal cells, the researchers point out that it “is important to determine whether a preventable exposure to an environmental factor may be associated with the increase.”

According to the pro-life group Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute (SCPI), which specializes in vaccine research, that “environmental factor” may well be the use of aborted fetal cells in vaccines.

The group pointed out in its most recent newsletter that 1988 is the same year the U.S. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices began recommending a second dose of the MMR vaccine, which included cells derived from the tissue of aborted babies.

Analyses of autism rate data published by SCPI identify 3 clear change points in U.S. autism disorder trends: 1981, 1988 and 1995, all of which the groups claims roughly correlate with the use of vaccines (Meruvax, MMRII, and Chickenpox) that were cultivated with the use of tissue from aborted children. The group says that it has been unable to identify any other factor that might correlate to the change in autism rates.

“The only environmental event correlating with these statistical autism trend ‘change points’ which would impact almost all children was the introduction of vaccines produced using human fetal cells and containing residual human DNA and cellular debris,” said SCPI.

Pro-life groups say that the research by EPA adds to an increasing body of evidence implicating the use of aborted fetal cell material in the nationwide vaccinations impacting nearly every child born in the United States.

American Life League has joined Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute in calling for a Fair Labeling and Informed Consent Act in light of the findings.

“For years the evidence has pointed toward the link between vaccines using DNA from aborted babies and the rise of Autism Disorder rates,” said Jim Sedlak, vice president of American Life League.

“Parents need and deserve to know the risks associated with vaccinations made from lines derived from the bodies of aborted children.”

SCPI has affirmed that they are continuing to study the impact of residual human fetal DNA in vaccines on the brain development and autism in children, and will present their studies at the International Society for Autism Research in May 2010.

For more information:

Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute http://www.soundchoice.org/

Click here to read Sound Choice's April 2010 newsletter. http://www.soundchoice.org/Images/SCPINewsletter_April_2010.pdf

Environmental Protection Agency: Timing of Increased Autistic Disorder Cumulative Incidence (10 July 2009)
http://www.all.org/pdf/McDonaldPaul2010.pdf

See related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

Is Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines Linked to Autism?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09072106.html

Fetal Tissue in Vaccine Production May be Linked to Autism in Children Claims Campaign Group
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jul/09070611.html

Abortion-Tainted New Flu Vaccine From Vaxin Uses Aborted Fetal Cell Lines
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/feb/05020703.html

it is against Federal law and has been for some time to donate fetal tissue or for the parents’ or doctors from profiting from such a donation.

Selling parts of babies from late term abortions is well known and extremely profitable:

Harvesting Fetal Body Parts

By Kelly Patricia O'Meara

The distribution of fetal body parts to scientists is a million-dollar industry. Researchers claim it's a necessary evil, but others fear it may encourage some grim abuses.

Scientists depend on human body parts for research they believe may yield breakthroughs in a number of diseases, such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, that affect millions of people. But the public largely is unaware of the way the laundry list of body parts for scientific research is filled. Those who oppose using human flesh for research wonder if knowing the gruesome details would make a difference to those who support the practice.

Actual requests for body parts such as a "whole intact leg, including the entire hip joint," come with special instructions that the body be dissected by "cutting through symphysis pubis (pubic bone) and include whole illium." Additionally, a request may specify the speed at which the dissection must occur - - in this instance, that the researcher would like the body part "to be removed from the cadaver within 10 minutes." Finally, the scientists specify whether "abnormalities" are permitted and under what conditions a body part will be shipped (such as in wet or dry ice) and by what mode of transportation (usually one of the well-known overnight-delivery services).

Of more than 50 such requests, or "protocols," submitted by scientists and reviewed for this article, none involved a deceased person more than 24 weeks old - - three weeks older than a fetus who could survive outside the womb. The "whole intact leg" protocol described previously was requested by a scientist who needed four to six "specimens (leg and hip joints) per shipment" from aborted fetuses 22 to 24 weeks old. Because the request called for the dissection to occur within 10 minutes of death, it is not difficult to imagine the required precision and speed of the dissection procedure occurring in a side room of an abortion clinic.

The men and women who perform these tasks are called " technicians" and are employed by companies that retrieve body parts, also known as "harvesters," such as the Anatomic Gift Foundation of Laurel, Md., and Opening Lines, headquartered in West Frankfort, Ill. These companies act as middlemen of sorts between the abortion clinic and the scientist.

Because the sale of human tissue or body parts is prohibited by federal law, the traffickers have worked out an arrangement to expedite the process from which they all benefit and still remain within current interpretations of the law. For instance, the harvesters receive the fetal material as a " donation" from the abortion clinic. In return, the clinic is paid a "site fee" for rental of lab space where technicians, employed by the harvesters, perform as many dissections as necessary to fill researcher manifests. The harvesters then "donate" the body parts to the researchers and, rather than pay the harvesters for the actual body parts, "donate" the cost of the retrieval (a service) via a formal price list.

The fiction is that under this mutually acceptable agreement, no laws are broken: No body parts from aborted fetuses are sold. In nearly all cases, the entire fetus is not needed. Rather, the fetus is dissected and the parts shipped to either the private corporation, university, or government agency where the research is being conducted. Any remaining skin, tissue, bones, or organs are ground up in the sink disposal or incinerated.

Brenda Bardsley, vice president of the Anatomic Gift Foundation, or AGF, tells Insight, "It's sad, but maybe it makes it [abortion] easier for us knowing that something good will come out of it." She adds, "We're doing our best in an unpleasant situation." Bardsley says the AGF's fetal-tissue retrieval accounts for "less than 10 percent of the company's business" and there are strict rules controlling when and under what conditions a technician may perform the procedures. "The decision to go ahead with the abortion," says Bardsley, "must be made before the woman is approached about donation, and we don't get access to the cadaver until the physician has firmly established death." Nearly 75 percent of the women who choose abortion agree to donate the fetal tissue, she says.

As part of AGF's services, it also runs serology (blood tests) on women who have elected to have an abortion and requires that the medical director of the clinic advise such women if they are shown by the tests to have other medical conditions such as AIDS, hepatitis B or C, or syphilis.

Along with its fetal-tissue harvesting, AGF also handles adult tissue. According to Bardsley, this is their main business, and they handle "only about five to 10 fetal-tissue procedures a week from two different clinics." AGF charges a flat fee of as much as $280 per specimen or individual body part. According to tax records provided to Insight by Bardsley, AGF's gross income has increased from a little more than $180,000 in 1994 to $2 million in 1998.

While AGF charges for "services" per specimen, competitor Opening Lines, a company that handles only fetal tissue, was unavailable for comment. According to a fee schedule provided to the pro-life organization Life Dynamics Inc., of Denton, Texas, Opening Lines does not confuse its customers by using the word " specimen" but openly lists charges by the body part. For instance, it may charge as little as $150 for the retrieval of a liver or $500 for a trunk (with or without limbs); a spinal cord goes for $325.

The sale of "services" in the acquisition of body parts exploded after President Clinton signed the National Institutes of Health Revitalization Act of 1993, effectively lifting the moratorium on federally funded research involving transplantation of fetal tissue from spontaneous or induced abortions. The taxpayer-funded legislation specifically allows for "research on the transplantation of human fetal tissue for therapeutic purposes." Since then, a rare breed of entrepreneurs have battled for a foothold in the newly created market of organ harvesting.

Company pamphlets and paraphernalia from Opening Lines, for example, boast that it is their "goal to offer you and your staff the highest quality, most affordable and freshest tissue prepared to your specifications and delivered in the quantities you need when you need it." Their advertisements add such sales puffery as: "Our specimens vary widely in range including but not limited to those listed below: liver, spleen, pancreas, intestines, kidney, brain, lungs and heart block, spinal column and many more with appropriate discounts that apply if specimen is significantly fragmented." A veritable smorgasbord of human body parts is on the menu, and the researcher need only order what he or she wants.

How profitable is all of this? The consulting firm of Frost and Sullivan recently reported that "the worldwide market for cell lines and tissue cultures brought in nearly $428 million in corporate revenues in 1996. It further predicts that between now and 2003, the market will grow at an average annual rate of 13.5 percent and, by 2002, will be worth nearly $1 billion." That does not include profits from patents and products that come from tissue research.

The National Institutes of Health provides nearly $19 million in grants and awards for fetal-tissue research, an amount that many in the scientific community consider budget dust compared with the $15.6 billion total 1999 appropriations. Of the $19 million, $2 million goes directly to research that is connected with fetal-tissue transplantation.

Many pro-life advocates object to the use of taxpayer funds for fetal-tissue research. For instance, they say that scientists might become dependent on such tissue simply because of the availability of it. Furthermore, they say, because women who have made a decision to undergo an abortion now may donate their fetus for research, the social, ethical, and moral stigma attached to the act is reduced because the patients believe they ultimately are doing something good.

Supply and demand are factors. Robert Orr, a physician and director of clinical ethics at Loma Linda Medical Center in Loma Linda, Calif., says he understands the use of spontaneously aborted fetuses for research purposes, but "policymakers and researchers are looking at aborted fetuses because there is such a large supply. The basic problem is that we're at the cutting edge of research. We have something that looks good on paper - - something that may be very important to humanity. Before we go any further and rush into something, we need to step back and take a second look."

Orr notes the problem of intention: "If a woman thinks that something good is coming out of the abortion, it makes it easier for her to make the decision. It's theoretically impossible to separate the moral issue from the scientific issue."

Similar sentiments are voiced by Rep. Henry Hyde, an Illinois Republican who is a staunch pro-life advocate. Hyde tells Insight: "I deplore any medical procedure that treats human beings as chattel, as a subject fit for harvesting. The humanity of every fetus should be respected and treated with dignity and not like a laboratory animal." The fact remains, though, that it's legal, and 1.5 million abortions are performed every year in the United States.

It's legal, and tens of thousands of body parts from aborted babies are used in scientific research. It's true, too, that our laws provide no human-being status to an unborn baby. But despite this, unborn babies are considered human for the purpose of scientific experimentation." Suzanne Rini, author of Beyond Abortion, says this is an issue "that never ceases to shock me. Fetal-tissue harvesting is a very lucrative industry, and just a small percentage of research could yield huge profits. Billions are involved in fetal-tissue research and harvesting, and the federal government participates in it in a big way. But it's also very shielded, and one has to try to understand the everydayness of it - - the foundational step in the process of abortion and fetal harvesting."

What are the ethics of this? Rini laughs dryly. "If they're doing it, there is no ethics."

vaccines do not contain fetal tissues

That's debatable:

Vaccines and autism: a new scientific review

March 31, 2011 11:32 AM
By Sharyl Attkisson
CBS News

Excerpt:

Ratajczak also looks at a factor that hasn't been widely discussed: human DNA contained in vaccines. That's right, human DNA. Ratajczak reports that about the same time vaccine makers took most thimerosal out of most vaccines (with the exception of flu shots which still widely contain thimerosal), they began making some vaccines using human tissue. Ratajczak says human tissue is currently used in 23 vaccines. She discusses the increase in autism incidences corresponding with the introduction of human DNA to MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked. Ratajczak also says an additional increased spike in autism occurred in 1995 when chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue.

Why could human DNA potentially cause brain damage? The way Ratajczak explained it to me: "Because it's human DNA and recipients are humans, there's homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it's changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it's an ongoing inflammation. It doesn't stop, it continues through the life of that individual."

Dr. Strom said he was unaware that human DNA was contained in vaccines but told us, "It does not matter...Even if human DNA were then found in vaccines, it does not mean that they cause autism." Ratajczak agrees that nobody has proven DNA causes autism; but argues nobody has shown the opposite, and scientifically, the case is still open.

A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want."