Re-Examining the "Out of Africa" Theory and the Origin of Europeoids in Light of DNA Genealogy

scirp.org ^ | May 2012 | Anatole A. Klyosov, Igor L. Rozhanskii

[Renfield]

Seven thousand five hundred fifty-six (7556) haplotypes of 46 subclades in 17 major haplogroups were considered in terms of their base (ancestral) haplotypes and timespans to their common ancestors, for the purposes of designing of time-balanced haplogroup tree. It was found that African haplogroup A (originated 132,000 ± 12,000 years before present) is very remote time-wise from all other haplogroups, which have a separate common ancestor, named β-haplogroup, and originated 64,000 ± 6000 ybp. It includes a family of Europeoid (Caucasoid) haplogroups from F through T that originated 58,000 ± 5000 ybp. A downstream common ancestor for haplogroup A and β-haplogroup, coined the α-haplogroup emerged 160,000 ± 12,000 ybp. A territorial origin of haplogroups α- and β-remains unknown; however, the most likely origin for each of them is a vast triangle stretched from Central Europe in the west through the Russian Plain to the east and to Levant to the south. Haplogroup B is descended from β-haplogroup (and not from haplogroup A, from which it is very distant, and separated by as much as 123,000 years of “lateral” mutational evolution) likely migrated to Africa after 46,000 ybp. The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNPs M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in “Walk through Y” FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.

[Renfield]

You can download the whole paper in .pdf format here:

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?FileName=AA20120200005_81998944.pdf&paperID=19566

[Renfield]

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[CottShop]

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[DuncanWaring]

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[blam]

Professor Stephen Oppenheimer says that about 50% of Europeans can trace their DNA to a guy in northern Pakistan 46,000 years ago and this 50% made their way to Europe through Russia.

The other 50% of Europeans can trace their DNA to an off-spring of the same fellow that was born a couple thousand years later and that they eventually made their way to Europe through the Middle East.

I read this in his book titled: Origins Of The British

There is an Indian anthropologist (N. Narain) who says that the European homeland is Gansu, China

[newfreep]

I read THE book and He said we all originated from that pair in the Garden of Eden.

I’ll take His word over some scientist who has a bias and lack of credibility.

[muawiyah]

Interesting ~ the authors could have simply postulated that advances and retreats of the great ice sheets served to both distribute the white folks, but also to create some variability in them.

Then, having noted that they could have named the last interglacial (which ended about 114,000 years bp) ~ and the one before that which ended about 228,000 years bp).

The ancestor common to all of us is in that neighborhood, but it's the conditions of the interglacials and the glacial advances and interstdials to made us what we are ~ not just the Toba event ~ which may have been a fizzle anyway.

[afraidfortherepublic]

What about the 6 Eves?

[BitWielder1]

Interesting read.
This is all based on the Y chromosome that is passed only from male to male.
I'm looking forward to the day when they analyze the rest of our DNA, will it corroborate these findings or not.

[expat2]

Going back further, both those streams came out of Africa, according to track-back of Y-DNA mutations (passing from father to son).

[ruesrose]

I read the same book you did and I agree with that Author as well.

[Paradox]

I read That book, twice, but still liked “Battlefield Earth” better.

[SunkenCiv]

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?FileName=AA20120200005_81998944.pdf&paperID=19566

[muawiyah]

Any time somebody tells you there were people in China before about 10,000 ybp, just remind yourself of what a Siberian tiger looks like ~ now give him far bigger fangs and more bulk.

It is necessary for the Younger Dryas to kill them off first.

Even the Chinese are reporting their own origins to the West in the Mongolian plateau above 700 meters (where it's dryer).

With few exceptions there are huge gaps in the record of human occupancy in China ~ but the yangtze and huang ho estuaries were populated mostly by major predators until relatively recent times.

[SunkenCiv]

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Thanks Renfield. The Scars of Evolution: What Our Bodies Tell Us About Human Origins by Elaine Morgan "The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'" To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

[newfreep]

Sorry to see you reject God’s Word on how & where we all began...

[ThirdMate]

Downloading the paper was easy, comprehending it is another matter.

Thanks for the post, very interesting. The point being made is that the “Out of Africa” theory is not data driven, but agenda driven.

[familyop]

No. So sorry. Oldest human bones founding in China, so wassa matta you?

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[familyop]

Let’s settle this once and for all. Dress all of the liberal/left university instructors up as monkeys, and put them in the Congo. That way, they’ll serve a purpose.

[trailhkr1]

Sorry to see you reject God’s Word on how & where we all began...

I personally believe the stories are a metaphor...not to be taken as the literal truth as to what happened. Kinda hard to explain DNA to camel humpers 3000 years ago...