This attempts to make much of a novel synchronism between the Hyksos and the Mycenaean Greeks:
History Channel:
Exodus Decoded
host Simcha Jacobovici,
narrator James Cameron
Baggage Train from Egypt (review)
Posted on 04/01/2012 8:50:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
Harvard University educated archaeologist and president of the Paleontological Research Corporation, Dr. Joel Klenck, states an array of archaeological discoveries evidence a crisis during the reign of the Egyptian Pharaoh Thutmose II... in the Eighteenth Dynasty.
An inscription by the succeeding Pharaoh Hatshepsut... in her Underground Temple at Speos Artemidos states that Egypt was "ruined" and "had gone to pieces" before the beginning of her reign. Hatshepsut's inscription also states that a population of "vagabonds" emerged from former Asiatic populations that once controlled northern Egypt and caused this ruination. Hatshepsut notes these vagabonds were responsible for "overthrowing that which had been made".
Klenck comments, "The reign of Thutmose II ended between 79 and 86 years after Seqenenre Tao II (ca. 1,560-1,555 B.C.) began to reconquer northern Egypt from foreign Hyksos populations, who controlled Egypt during the Second Intermediate Period (ca. 1,650-1,550 B.C.). Egyptian texts are clear that the son of Tao II, Ahmose I, conquered the Hyksos and captured their capital at Avaris around 1,550 B.C. Yet, this inscription by Hatshepsut notes another population remained in Egypt from 'the midst' of the 'Asiatics' and ruined Egypt 'down to my majesty' or before the beginning of her reign."
...Thutmose II reigned for eighteen years, the ruler has fewer writings, monuments or smaller artifacts attributed to his rule compared to most pharaohs of the Eighteenth Dynasty. Furthermore, building projects belonging to Thutmose II are minimal and comprise an unfinished limestone gateway at Karnak and fragments of construction at Semna, Kumma and Elephantine.
The Egyptian official, Ahmose Pen-Nekhbet, mentioned that Thutmose II conducted a campaign in the Sinai against the "shasu" or wanderers. This campaign may have proved problematic.
(Excerpt) Read more at heritagedaily.com ...
sounds like Henry VIII and his problem with the Cardinal Reginald Pole and his family, the Cardinal being not only a Prince of the Church but scion of the Plantagenets.
Thanks fidelis. I’ve been reading on this for most of my life, and I’ve never, ever seen the Sea Peoples equated with the Hyksos, much less widely so. The Hyksos have never been equated with the Greeks, either. There have been many attempts to equate the Hyksos with the Jews. The Sea Peoples have been equated with various unattested groups from Sardinia and elsewhere; some have tried to equate the Sea Peoples with Mycenaean Greeks.
That’s merely the conventional pseudochronology, which was devised to undermine the veracity of the Bible. And, it continues to do so.
Thanks PzLdr. The daughter’s tomb is located out in the boonies, high up in a cliff face in the western desert, was plundered at some point, but has AFAIK never received any conservation or even much study. It’s amazing it was even found. Thutmose III had to remove her traces in order to relegitimize his own reign, which had been removed from history. Biblically, he’s the pharaoh known as Shishak.
How does it undermine the veracity of the Bible?
“Names are hard to pronounce.... although Thutmose I can do. lol.”
Pronounced “Thoot Moose,” right? 8^)
A Thoot Moose bit my sister.
SunkenCiv- You are correct. I was getting my groups mixed up. :)
Because it vanishes any synchronisms (other than one superficial one) between the historical events in the O.T. and Egyptian history, of course. And that’s what it was (and is) intended to do.
History Channel:
Exodus Decoded
host Simcha Jacobovici,
narrator James Cameron
Baggage Train from Egypt (review)
Thanks SunkenCiv. :)
I am wondering if the Sea People could have been refugees from Crete after their sea power was destroyed by a tsunami from Santorini, and Mycenaean Greeks started to invade. While apparently a relatively peaceful trading people, it is possible that the surviving Crete population became much more aggressive after the times of trouble from the big eruption. The level of civilization/success of the subsequent Sea People settlements suggests a civilized history somewhere. I suspect the Hyksos were primarily Libyans, with other wandering groups intermingled.
My pleasure.
The conventional pseudochronology is the problem; the Sea People were the Greeks themselves; the Pereset were the Persians. Additionally, there was no tsunami from Santorini, just as there was no supereruption of Thera in historical times.
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That’s merely the conventional pseudochronology, which was devised to undermine the veracity of the Bible.
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I’m not sure that I understand this. I have seen several chronologies. I don’t think that there is any agreed on chronology as yet. But one of them is likely to be right. How does one vs another undermine the OT.
Generally the OT is a very good source book/history for events of the 1st millenium bc. Its a little more sketchy about events of the 2nd millenium bc.
ANCIENT SOAP OPERA REFUTED
by Kathy Medbery
http://www.belovedegypt.com/soap_opera.htm
[snip] In the Spring 1997 issue of KMT, William Petty offers a possible answer to the question in his article “Hatshepsut and Thutmose II Reconsidered”. He suggests the possibility that the politics and conflicts in the early eighteenth dynasty were not, war and peace, male and female, stepmother and stepson but the royal bloodlines. The original pharaohs of that dynasty were descendants of Sekenenre Tao and were of the Taosids line. Thutmose I was not of that line but was entitled to rule though his marriage to Ahmose who was of that line. Thutmose III was not the child of Ahmose but of another wife of Thutmose I, Mutnofret. Thus his claim was though the Thutmosid line. This made Hatshepsut’s claim more legitimate, she being Ahmose’s granddaughter, Sekenenre’s great granddaughter. [/snip]
Hatshepsut and Tuthmosis: a royal feud?
By Dr Joyce Tyldesley
Last updated 2011-02-17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/hatshepsut_01.shtml
I. Velikovsky, "Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History" III
37. Two kingdoms rose on the ruins of the Hyksos Empire: the kingdom of Israel under David, and the New Kingdom of Egypt under the Eighteenth Dynasty. The beginnings of these two dynasties are not separated by six centuries; they started simultaneously.
38. The Egyptian Queen Tahpenes, the sister-in-law of Hadad the Edomite, was a wife of Ahmose.
39. Thutmose I attacked Gezer of the Philistines and gave it to Solomon, his son-in-law.
40. Queen Sheba is identical with Queen Hatshepsu.
41. The information of Josephus that the queen-guest ruled Egypt and Abyssinia, is correct.
42. The theories which place Punt and God’s Land in either South Arabia or Africa are equally wrong. Hatshepsu’s expedition, pictured in the temple of Deir el Bahari near Thebes, went to Palestine-Phoenicia.
43. By the time of the Old Kingdom, Palestine was already known as God’s Land or Holy Land. The tribe of Menashe lived in Palestine already at the time of the Old Kingdom in Egypt.
44. A preliminary expedition dispatched by Hatshepsu to prepare the way for the main expedition, was met by Peruha, the biblical Paruah, governor of Ezion-Geber.
45. The correction of the verses I Kings 4, 16-17 which place Aloth in the domain of the son of Paruah, is well founded.
46. Queen Hatshepsu participated personally in the main expedition to Ezion-Geber, Jerusalem, and Phoenicia. Her intention was to see what she had known “by hearsay” only.
47. The return voyage was made by sea from the Palestinian shore to Thebes on the Nile, and a second fleet was used. In the days of Hatshepsu there was no canal connecting the Nile with the Red Sea.
48. Jewish officers in the service of Solomon are portrayed on the walls of Deir El Bahari.
49. Exotic animals and plants, including the algum-trees “never seen before”, which Queen Hatshepsu received as gifts in God’s Land, had been brought by the navy of Hiram and Solomon from Ophir. They are seen in the pictures of the expedition.
50. Gifts were also presented to Hatshepsu by messengers of Hiram.
51. Solomon was not an obscure prince, as he is often represented. The riches of his kingdom astounded the Egyptians under their most magnificent monarch.
52. Silver-covered floors in the Jerusalem of Solomon were an actual feature; such floors were also built in the palaces of the viziers of Hatshepsu.
53. The architecture and ordinances of the Temple of Solomon were copied in the Temple of Amon at Deir El Bahari. The plan of this structure and its terraces can help in the reconstruction of the plan of the Temple of Solomon.
54. The Songs of Mounting, which are included among the Psalms, were sung by priests while ascending the terraces.
55. The office of High Priest was introduced into the Egyptian service in imitation of a similar post in the service in Jerusalem. The word pontifex is derived ultimately from the word Punt. The last word means Phoenicia.
56. The Abyssinian tradition preserved the name of the Queen of the South as Makeda, which is derived from the personal name of Hatshepsu (Make-Ra).
57. The Arabic claim that Queen Sheba was their Queen Bilkis, is unfounded.
58. The traditional origin of some Hebrew legends concerning Queen Sheba can be traced in the life and appearance of Hatshepsu.
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