Posted on 03/23/2012 4:34:41 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
A few days ago I realized that we who are participating on the Agenda 21 thread have amassed an impressive amount of data and links which are quite important for the educating of anyone who is wondering what “Agenda 21” is all about.
There is absolutely no question in the minds of any of our participants at this stage that “Agenda 21” is real, and is NOT a tin-foil hat conspiracy. There are quite a number of people on this forum who were way ahead of us, and have been quite patient with us while some (like myself) have played catch-up.
The link to the original Agenda 21 thread, with all the previous data, links, and discussion can be found here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738418/posts
With this new thread, I am proposing that we continue our practice of collecting data and links to relevant articles, but I would also like to see discussions and brainstorming, advice, ideas, on WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT?? Nuts and Bolts. Baby steps. Giant steps. Letters to the editor. Letters to representatives. After action reports. Putting into practice the overcoming of the Delphi Techniques practiced by Sustainability Meeting Facilitators. Ways to educate our fellow citizens. Etc.
What say you?
Thanks for the alert, MestaMachine! While I know that there could certainly be the replay of the Late Unpleasantness Between the States of the 1860s, it is my fervent prayer that the one of the 2010’s can be mitigated by the Grace of God!
MestaMachine and several other of our participants have urged me to alert the ping list to the very grave concerns we have before us regarding water and water rights.
I strongly encourage participants of these different states and even states surrounding them to please consider posting a link to this post on the various state bulletins of our forum.
Please note my new tagline. WE CAN DO THIS!
WATER RIGHTS
So here is a summary list of some recent relevant recent information regarding water and water rights:
1)See the above post 139 on this thread(which this post is a reply to)from MestaMachine
2)Post 128 above from DLfromthedesert - ARIZONA
3)OREGON
Oregon Man Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail — for Collecting Rainwater on His Property
cnsnews.com ^ | 7-26-12 | Kendra Alleyne
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2911470/posts
– A rural Oregon man was sentenced Wednesday to 30 days in jail and over $1,500 in fines because he had three reservoirs on his property to collect and use rainwater.
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4)NEW MEXICO
Team Obama Seizing Western Water Supplies
http://nation.foxnews.com/ ^ | August 01, 2012 | Steve Ramirez
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2913486/posts
Clearly, it was jolting news the New Mexico Legislature’s Water and Natural Resources Committee wasn’t prepared for. During Monday’s committee meeting, in the Barbara Hubbard Room at the Pan American Center Annex, lawyers representing the New Mexico Office of the State Engineer, Elephant Butte Irrigation District, and the city of Las Cruces, told the committee that a state Water Court hearing will be at 9 a.m. Wednesday, at the Third Judicial Court Complex, 201 E. Picacho Ave., and the future management of state’s water supply could hang in the balance of the hearing’s outcome.
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5)NEW MEXICO
Govt Grabbing Water Again: Sues New Mexico for Water Rights
Maggie’s Notebook ^ | 8-1-12 | Maggie@MaggiesNotebook
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2913312/posts
The U.S. Government is suing New Mexico for perceived damages in a groundwater case, and the prize is control of the state’s water. In May 2011 we learned that the EPA was beginning to change the way America’s waters are controlled, and that control was to be extended to your ponds and puddles.
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6)SUMMARY of UN AGENDA 21 - IT INCLUDES WATER AND WATER RIGHTS!
United Nations Agenda 21 - Land and property grab
Democrats Against UN Agenda 21 ^ | 7/31/2012 | Rosa Koire
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2913582/posts?page=1
Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:26:56 PM by I_Publius
“UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all information, and all human beings in the world....” snip
7)HOOVER DAM - while the LOST Treaty was (fortunately) quashed, nevertheless, the intent of those at the levers of power remains.
Obama To Give UN Control Of Our Water!
Western Center For Journalism ^ | July 12, 2012 | Suzanne Eovaldi
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2908326/posts
Is Obama’s federal government getting ready to put a huge red X mark on the Hoover Dam, which supplies most of the American West with its life-sustaining water? Having this scenario play out is quite plausible as Barack Obama’s Executive Order # 13547 in support of the global Law of the Sea Treaty (L.O.S.T.) seeks to take control of our water in any form of precipitation, from sky to ocean! Total water control will give the American president and his global cohorts total control of all U.S. citizens if this initiative is not stopped by still-free citizens...snip
8) ARIZONA
Tombstone readies picks and shovels
Sierra Vista Herald/Review ^ | DANA COLE
posted June 8, 2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2893324/posts
TOMBSTONE — The City of Tombstone is embroiled in another dynamic showdown.
The “Town too Tough to Die” is now squaring off against the U.S. Forest Service in what could be the fight of its life, a battle over water rights.
On Friday and Saturday, a group called the Shovel Brigade will gather in Tombstone and head to the Huachuca Mountains to make repairs to the city’s waterline, which was damaged by mudslides and boulders after last summer’s Monument Fire flooding. While the 26-mile waterline — fed by springs in the Huachuca Mountains — has been Tombstone’s main water source for 130 years, the U.S. Forest Service is refusing to allow mechanized equipment into areas to make the repairs. Citing the Wilderness Act, the forest service is concerned about environmental damage that heavy equipment could cause to wilderness areas while excavation work and rebuilding are underway....snip
T, I am crossposting this thread to Threat Matrix.
Thank you, MestaMachine!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2914352/posts
Excerpt from thread:
‘Wild Lands 2.0’: Defeated Salazar Policy Resurrected in Back-Door BLM Move
PJ Media ^ | August 3, 2012 | Bridget Johnson
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 6:17:51 PM by jazusamo
Western lawmakers are crying foul over new Interior Department guidelines that resurrect the controversial Wild Lands policy that was killed by Congress in April 2011.
Bureau of Land Management manuals uncovered by Rep. Rob Bishop (R-Utah) and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) include language nearly identical to the draft proposal put forth by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar in December 2010. The “Wild Lands” policy was intended to identify and manage wilderness areas while circumventing the normal — and transparent — congressional process.
Pulling manuals from the BLM site on July 31, the lawmakers compared the policies and found the new language to be even “harsher” than Wild Lands in the “carte blanche authority” granted to the agency.
“In some circumstances conditions relating to wilderness characteristics may have changed over time, and an area that was once determined to lack wilderness characteristic many now possess them,” states one section of the BLM text. Both manuals include a provision that gives BLM the authority to identify any “roadless island of the public lands” as possessing wilderness characteristics, even under 5,000 acres in defiance of the Wilderness Act.
Am also starting to tag threads with agenda21, so even if I don’t post them here, just hit the tag and the articles will pop right up there.
Bookmarked for near future consumption. Thanks much for keeping me informed.
You are welcome, but it’s TEXOKIE that keeps this thread going and going like the Energizer Bunny. Proud and honored to do all I can to help in that regard.
THank you MestaMachine. I’ve started being more diligent myself about tagging them as well with the “Agenda21” tag. I’m suspecting that other of our participants are doing so as well. (With my deepest thanks!)
LAND GRAB IN AMERICA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klgZrZtppeE&feature=player_embedded
Web page
http://stopthecrime.net/
Dear AGenda21 Warriors,
Following is a sample of some of the things which have appeared on my radar screen in recent days. As always, please feel free to post other findings and after action reports here! My appreciation and admiration go to all who are in any way, great or small, working to stand up to tyranny.
1) CALIFORNIA - TALK RADIO ON AGENDA 21(but presumably others can listen/participate?!)
Agenda 21 Radio airs every Saturday from 4 to 7 a.m. Pacific Time on KMYC 14010AM in Marysville, CA
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917202/posts
The Agenda21 Radio Live thread has quite a number of links posted by its participants in addition to the post offering.
2)NEW HAMPSHIRE - Rosa Koire appearance
Post 15 of the thread listed in number 1 of this post is an announcement that Rosa Koire will be be in Waldoboro Monday Aug 13, 2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917202/posts
3)ICLEI/Landgrab-in-America information
See Post 148 above, of this Action Thread for a website and utube link
4)THREAT MATRIX 2012 #1 by MestaMachine
I would like to alert this thread’s participants to another
thread dealing with not only Agenda 21, but also other threats to our republic and freedoms:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2827536/posts
5)VIRGINA
“Virginia farmer threatened with $5K fine for hosting child’s birthday party” Hotair ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2916266/posts
6)WAR ON SUBURBS
Burn Down the Suburbs? Not exactly, but Obama is already working to get rid of them.
NationalReview ^ | Aug 1, 2012 | Stanley Kurtz
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915017/posts
7)WESTERN LANDS
‘Wild Lands 2.0’: Defeated Salazar Policy Resurrected in Back-Door BLM Move
PJ Media ^ | August 3, 2012 | Bridget Johnson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2914352/posts
Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 5:17:51 PM by jazusamo
Western lawmakers are crying foul over new Interior Department guidelines that resurrect the controversial Wild Lands policy that was killed by Congress in April 2011.
Bureau of Land Management manuals uncovered by Rep. Rob Bishop (R-Utah) and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) include language nearly identical to the draft proposal put forth by Interior Secretary Ken Salazar in December 2010. The “Wild Lands” policy was intended to identify and manage wilderness areas while circumventing the normal — and transparent — congressional process.
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8)MINNESOTA - Mass Transit conference this coming fall!
Twin Cities to host 2014 national transit advocacy conference
Pioneer Press ^ | 8-2-12 | Frederick Melo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2914048/posts
Organizers of a national transit advocacy conference have chosen the Twin Cities as the host site for their fall 2014 event, which is expected to draw roughly 1,000 rail enthusiasts and transit planners from across the country.
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Perhaps oversimplification, but getting the U.N. the “H” out of this country, this country’s business is a priority the next administration must address.
Question: When did, and which President signed a Congressionally (Senate) approved treaty with the U.N. allowing them access to govern within our borders? The ICLEI is operating within our borders, within our communities, our counties, our States NOW. Why are they able to do this?
The Left (includes RINO’s IMO) is allowing them to do so just as the Left is allowing, and nurturing the illegals to swarm across our borders.
Thanks for the ping!
Here is a roundup of some of the relevant/related articles and issues which have come to my attention.
But first, I have found myself stewing about not doing more. I was actually condemning myself for what I was seeing as me doing practically nothing about our topic. I knew that what was happening was that I was entering into a spiral of thought that would take me to a place where my action would freeze altogether. Then a comforting analogy entered my mind and I would like to share it with you, just in case any of you are ever plagued with a similar destructive self-talk.
The analogy I now use in my own thinking when I fall into the trap of self-condemnation at not doing more is the one about the battery. Yes, we know that there are some huge batteries out there that power cars, boats, and other huge mechanical and electrical devices, etc. I know that I am not of that power....but I try to keep in mind that there is a GREAT need for the D Cell, C Cell, AA, AAA and others down to the humble tiny hearing aid batteries which some people rely on for safety and quality of life. Truly the issue is not size, but reliability and constancy.
I know that I can do more, and I seek to, but the self-condemnation aspect is not helpful nor constructive. So this humble little hearing aid battery will continue to plug away at whatever little step is the next one to take. (Maybe one day I might grow up to be at least a AAA! :-D)
I guess the point is, ALL of the different levels of battery size make a difference in the lives of all of us, and we need each one and are grateful for them all. Thanks again to all of you for remaining aware of and working as you are able on this Agenda 21 issue.
If I have missed something of urgent proportions, please notify me and we shall seek to rectify it!
1)WORLDWIDE FOOD SUPPLY
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/AspenIn
The CSPAN video runs 01:12:41
June 24, Aspen CO, Aspen Institute
Opening Footer shows:
“Rio+20 - UN Conference on Sustainable Development in June, 20 years after the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio” It focuses especially on agriculture.
Panel discussing the issues are:
Dan Glickman - Former US Representative, D-Kansas 1977-95 - Former Clinton Ag Secretary 1995-01. Talks about the farm bill passed recently in congress. States there is a disconnect between the issue in the US govt (pay the farmers subsidies) and the way the problem is being dealt with at the Aspen gathering. - Research budget has “gone to hell.” - Was in Mozambique and told about use of fertilizer being used “more intelligently”, but no roads to get food to market. - Research Issue: 150th Anniversary of the Lincoln Morrell Act which created the Land Grant College
Dennis Dimick - National Geographic Magazine, Executive Editor for the Environment - Studied ag in college
John Foley - Speaks about “Challenges in Agriculture.” - University of Minnesota, Institute on the Environment Director - Says we need to stop the “wrong thinking which is ‘we’ll simply grow more’” Discusses water, grain conversion efficiency. “Earth Collaboratory - use social networks” to solve problems
Jason Clay - World Wildlife Fund - Senior VP of Market Transformation - Talks of consumption issue - need to measure because if we measure, we can manage them better. Need to measure waste, fertilizer, etc
Chris Reij - World Resources Institute Senior Fellow - Production systems - Studies on high population densities - tells somewhat self serving story about him sitting on a plane with a secretary to someone high in the government of an African nation (Niger?) and gets a meeting with that nation’s president. The president asked him to write a presentation for him to present at the Rio gathering. Reij reports that the president used the presentation in several other settings as well.
Background set of the video has the words,”Living in the New Normal”
2)PROPERTY REDISTRIBUTION
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2919746/posts
“Henry George: We must make land common property - inch by inch”
PGA Weblog ^
Posted on Friday, August 17, 2012 12:33:17 PM by ProgressingAmerica
In “Progress and Poverty” (1879) on page 295, Henry George wrote the following:
We have traced the unequal distribution of wealth which is the curse and menace of modern civilization to the institution of private property in land. We have seen that so long as this institution exists no increase in productive power can permanently benefit the masses; but, on the contrary, must tend still further to depress their condition. We have examined all the remedies, short of the abolition of private property in land, which are currently relied on or proposed for the relief of poverty and the better distribution of wealth, and have found them all inefficacious or impracticable.
There is but one way to remove an evil—and that is to remove its cause. Poverty deepens as wealth increases, and wages are forced down while productive power grows, because land, which is the source of all wealth and the field of all labor, is monopolized. To extirpate poverty, to make wages what justice commands they should be, the full earnings of the laborer, we must therefore substitute for the individual ownership of land a common ownership. Nothing else will go to the cause of the evil—in nothing else is there the slightest hope.”....SNIP
3) MIDWEST ENERGY GRID
GAO: EPA rules to cause energy price increases in Midwest, ‘compromise’ electric grid
Washington Examiner ^ | 8/16/12 | Joel Gehrke
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2919911/posts
“Four coal industry regulations from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) will likely cause electricity prices to rise and may “compromise” electric grid reliability — especially in the Midwest and South — according to the Government Accountability Office.”...SNIP
4)RADIO - REMINDER
AGENDA 21 RADIO
Agenda 21 Radio airs on Saturdays from 4:00 to 6:00 a.m. PT on KMYC 1410AM in Marysville, (Northern) CA
Watch and listen online at http://www.mysytv.com
Call in questions at 1-877-211-4525 or 530-742-5555
E-mail the host at paul@edtalkradio.com
5) NEVADA
Lawsuit over roads in Tahoe Forest west of Reno
ap ^ | Aug. 19, 2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2921157/posts?page=1
A national group representing off-highway recreationists is suing the U.S. Forest Service to try to overturn a new travel management plan on national forest lands in the Sierra west of Reno they say is overly restrictive. The Pacific Legal Foundation said in a lawsuit filed recently the agency plan adopted in 2010 illegally closed more than 800 miles of roads and trails the public has used for years in the Tahoe National Forest...
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6) ARIZONA - Cochise County Tea Party
One of participants gives us this update on Arizona with two emails:
a)Subject: U.N. AGENDA 21 - Just Posted - Update of the EPA Meeting last night in Benson
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 14:21:18 -0700
Friends Against Agenda 21,
Here is an example of Tea Party Patriots working for the Community, Joanne a very hard working tea party leader and tea party members combating together the EPA. The Cochise County Tea Party have been at this a long time and it is slowly paying off for them. I have a great deal of respect for active Tea Parties and all there members, that get the job done for the people in the Community. This should be County and town administrators doing this work. Not to say that there are some good administrators looking out for the people and their interest, but not enough of them.
Please go to the link below and read the report from the night before. WOW, this is what it takes, plenty of good people well educated in the issues, Joanne did a great job in reporting the nights event. With our ongoing education sessions and some lessons learned such as Cochise County’s and others that we can share, we too can have some success, and we will! Again I thank Joanne and the Tea Party Patriots of Cochise County for sharing this event with us. God be With you, Bill
b)Subject: Just Posted [ August 16, 2012 1:09 PM]
- Update of the EPA Meeting last night in Benson
I just posted a synopsis of the EPA Hearing last night in Benson. There was over 300 people that showed up and I thank all of you who came to show the Fed’l representatives that they should NOT mess with Cochise County. (apparently the IRC didn’t send the EPA the memo....)
Check it out on the forum:
http://teapartycochisecounty.ning.com/forum/topics/epa-0-vs-cochise-county-300
THANK YOU, thank you, thank you
Joanne
questions, comments cctp2009@yahoo.com
Visit Tea Party Cochise County at: http://teapartycochisecounty.ning.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network
7) GOOGLE and SUPPLEMENTS
Google Shopping blocks all vitamins and natural products -glitch or deliberate censorship?
Natural News ^ | 8-19-12 | Ethan A. Huff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2920563/posts
Post 4 explains: “He means in the Shopping search, on google. Nothing turns up there. Google is changing the nature of their shopping search, however. I dont know if this is related.”
Post 7 adds: “Also, banned all guns and ammo..No more Bud’s Guns or Midway USA.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/29/google-bans-gun-sales-on-us-shopping-center/";
8) ARIZONA - Tombstone
Out Of Touch President Obama Fiddles While Tombstone, AZ Burns
Forbes ^ | 8/13/2012 | Ralph Benko
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920443/posts
Welcome to the Wild West, 2012 style. The Feds to Tombstone: “If you want to fix your water line, better lawyer up and talk to President Obama.”... SNIP
“Obama, is truly the out of touch candidate. The U.S. Forest Service — of which the president is ultimate boss — is preventing, on the flimsiest of excuses, Tombstone Arizona from rebuilding its water pipeline. Obama, conniving, is putting Tombstone, a fixture of American history, in mortal danger....” SNIP
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BONUS!
Miscellaneous/Related:
Felt it on my heart to let all of you know about these following threads in case you missed them!
A) DAVE BARTON CAPITOL TOUR
http://stg.do/Iwpc
Well worth the 8 minutes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2919911/posts
B) PRAY FOR AMERICA
For those inclined and have not found the thread yet, I want to bring your attention to a particularly (imho) annointed prayer offered Aug 18 on DarthVader’s thread, “Pray For The Salvation And Restoration Of America” (8/18/2012)[Prayer]| The Holy Scriptures (Psalms 37 and 94)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2920057/posts
C) OPSEC and OBAMA
For those who may have missed this:
Special Operations OPSEC targets Obama for reckless intelligence leaks
Red State ^ | August 16, 2012 | Dan Spencer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920044/posts
D) FLORIDA/SHARIA
TAMPA COULD BE ONE OF AMERICA’S FIRST SHARIA COMPLIANT CITIES!
Florida Family Policy Council & Tea Party Ft. Lauderdale ^ | August 21, 2012 |
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2921210/posts
E) ROUNDUP of VETERANS
Vets Being Rounded Up Nationwide?
Western Journalism ^ | August 24, 2012
Glen Beck interview
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2922760/posts
Worth the 14 minutes, imho
What I think that a lot of people are missing is what Glenn Beck used to warn us about, always watching what Obama is doing with the other hand. I was doing this in regard to coal, Obama waging war against privately owned coal mines in the East and promoting and subsidizing sub-bituminous coal in the West, on federally leased lands, mostly owned by Indian tribes.
What I wasn’t doing is watching what Obama’s left hand was doing in other segments of the economy, like the new union owned bank, Amalgamated, to which the DNC is moving their funds after the election. There is some speculation that GM is also about to make use of the union owned bank.
Then there is the energy sector, where Obama has tried to shut down operations on all federally leased lands, but has not been able to control the drilling on private land. We just learned this week that the investment company that we all thought was saving the oil refining in the Philadelphia area is partly owned by government unions from CA and NY and has been in trouble with the state of NY for kickbacks and payoffs. - more union involvement in another economic sector.
Finally, there is Obamacare, which we should never forget, is NOT about health care or health insurance, it’s about the unionization of 1/5 of the work force under a single government union.
Win or lose in November, Obama is moving forward with his agenda of unionization of the American economy in order to use the unions to control commerce and industry, and now entering banking, as well. This is all leading to the Agenda 21, the SEIU is an international union.
Thank you so very much for your cogent observations!
Thanks for the ping!
Please add me to the Agenda 21 list.
Animal Rights, environmentalism (endangered species acts, indigenous species acts, watershed acts), takeover of schools and education, writing of that crap in the textbooks -
Many different arms to the same octopus.
Thanks, AuntB
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