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"Ron Paul: Barack Obama is Not a Socialist"
The Wall Street Journal ^ | April 10, 2010 | Susan Davis

Posted on 01/08/2012 10:32:31 AM PST by Politics4US

By Susan Davis

NEW ORLEANS–Republicans and tea party activists are fond of accusing President Barack Obama of being a socialist, but today party gadfly Ron Paul said they had it wrong.

“In the technical sense, in the economic definition, he is not a socialist,” the Texas Republican said to a smattering of applause at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

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To: Eva

I think 0bama was originally a Communist (and may still be), but like the Commies in Russia, China, and elsewhere, he has morphed into a fascist, because even Commies now know that Marxist economics is a joke.


21 posted on 01/08/2012 11:35:01 AM PST by hellbender
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To: leapfrog0202


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22 posted on 01/08/2012 11:50:14 AM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: Politics4US
“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

Paul is truly insane. He was at least tolerable until I read the above statement. Government is a brutal instrument of force. Nothing on this Earth is more powerfully destructive than Governments.

For the Idiot Paul (and his supporters) to not recognize this shows they are absolutely in the bed with Statists.

Absolutely ALL of the corruption we see today would not have happened without government becoming involved with the economy.

Hey Idiot Paul and his supporters , with truly limited government, corporations would not be lobbying in D.C. They would strictly compete in the marketplace, instead of seeking favors of the elites.

Hey Idiot Paul and his supporters why do you always deviate from first principles and attack Capitalism and Israel on a regular basis?

When Paul leaves the stage of politics for good, a smile will come over the faces of our Founders.

Paul is as equally repulsive as Mitt.

23 posted on 01/08/2012 12:34:20 PM PST by sand88
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To: Politics4US

According to Ron Paul

by Jen Kuznickion January 8, 2012 · Comments (27) Comments
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According to Ron Paul, in order to stop terrible oppressors like China from killing 100 million more of their own people, we need to play ping pong.

According to Ron Paul, if you intend to save the country and be credited with bringing it back to a Constitutional Republic, vote for only a few appropriation bills in 24 years, and earmark every nickel for the 14th District of Texas, that way, you are not spending money on frivolous things like the rest of the country.

According to Ron Paul, one must agree with the decision of Roe v. Wade because of the Constitutional right to privacy in the 4th amendment, but constantly proclaim you are pro-life.

According to Ron Paul, a “little bit of a difference” in foreign policy is stopping military support of Israel, since they are an illegitimate country in the first place, and that Israel is holding the Hamas-controlled Gaza strip as Hilter held the Jews in a concentration camp. Incidentally, Paul called Israel a “national socialist state” in his newsletters that he signed in 1987.

According to Ron Paul, not ruling out going third party is simply a reserve of judgement, since he is not sure yet how the primary race will pan out.

According to Ron Paul, Hamas is legitimate, and the Palestinians got ripped off, and cannot be the aggressors in the Middle East because they don’t have the power, and that US support for Israel is blind.

According to Ron Paul, the war on drugs must end with the legalization of all vice laws, because vice laws take away individual freedom to do what you wish, harming no one but yourself and your property. Not once has he suggested how to deal with the domestic violence and death associated with someone supposedly just harming himself.

Sewn up in a package as the potential leader of our nation, Ron Paul offers appeasement, self-absorption, incorrect and convenient reading of the Constitution, anti-Semitism, the idea that if he’s not the nominee, America deserves another 4 years of Obama, and absolute blindness of the people hurt by rampant drug use.

Given that package, Ron Paul is not really that much different than President Obama.

http://jenkuznicki.com/2012/01/according-to-ron-paul/


24 posted on 01/08/2012 12:41:09 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (The Religion Forum is not for the faint-hearted or those not accustomed to being opposed.)
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To: Politics4US

Dear Crazy Uncle Paul:
Your wiggy and ain’t right in the head.

See you at Thanksgiving.


25 posted on 01/08/2012 12:44:52 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Politics4US

this is how the rat party has gotten a strangehold on this country.....sinisterly paying off their corporate/wallstreet/banker/ultra rich clientele and yet having the media pretend they don’t....


26 posted on 01/08/2012 12:57:59 PM PST by cherry
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To: Politics4US

What he’s describing is fascism, which is a form of socialism. However, under such a system corporations aren’t really in charge, they find that out the instant they decide to oppose the dear leader.


27 posted on 01/08/2012 12:59:58 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: drbuzzard
As much as I think Paul is a complete wingnut, he’s fairly accurate here.

Ron Paul is relying on the traditional definition of "socialism:" state or government or public ownership and control of the means of production and distribution of goods. And he's right.

In recent years, though, most socialist parties have retreated from that position, so just what "socialism" means has gotten foggy and unclear. If a politician advocates something close to what Britain's or Australia's Labour Party or France's or Germany's Socialist or Social Democratic Parties advocate, in some people's eyes that makes him or her a socialist, even though in classic terms that wouldn't be true.

That means that there really isn't a hard line any more between what is and what isn't socialist or socialism. Whatever his weak points and shortcomings, though, Ron Paul is about as far from socialist as politicians usually get.

28 posted on 01/08/2012 1:01:06 PM PST by x
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To: drbuzzard
As much as I think Paul is a complete wingnut, he’s fairly accurate here.

Ron Paul is relying on the traditional definition of "socialism:" state or government or public ownership and control of the means of production and distribution of goods. And he's right.

In recent years, though, most socialist parties have retreated from that position, so just what "socialism" means has gotten foggy and unclear. If a politician advocates something close to what Britain's or Australia's Labour Party or France's or Germany's Socialist or Social Democratic Parties advocate, in some people's eyes that makes him or her a socialist, even though in classic terms that wouldn't be true.

That means that there really isn't a hard line any more between what is and what isn't socialist or socialism. Whatever his weak points and shortcomings, though, Ron Paul is about as far from socialist as politicians usually get.

29 posted on 01/08/2012 1:02:17 PM PST by x
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To: Politics4US
Obama is a marxist, but at this stage of his "development" he is more of a fascist than a classic socialist; though fascism definitely has elements of socialism to it. Marxism, in a nutshell, states that capitalism must yield to socialism, which must yield to what Marx preached was the ultimate good: communism. In one of my political science classes in college it was diagrammed as follows: Capitalism → Socialism → Communism \ ║ \ Fascism Fascism in Germany was based upon National Socialism, which allowed for some private enterprises to exist, but they could only exist to produce what the State (i.e., Germany) dictated, with prices set by the State, as well. German fascism was actually crony capitalism, where only those industries allowed by the government -- and under the government's control -- could exist: This is EXACTLY what Obama created with his "targeted stimulus" package and his favoritism towards "green" energy at the expense of traditional sources.
30 posted on 01/08/2012 1:03:31 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
I don't know why my diagram didn't take. I'll try it again: Capitalism → Socialism → Communism \ \ Fascism
31 posted on 01/08/2012 1:07:14 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
I don't know why my diagram didn't take. I'll try it again: Capitalism → Socialism → Communism \ \ Fascism
32 posted on 01/08/2012 1:07:48 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six
I don't know why my diagram didn't take. I'll try it again: Capitalism → Socialism → Communism \ \ Fascism
33 posted on 01/08/2012 1:08:16 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

It’s still not printing properly.

The slanted line is supposed to go from Capitalism to Fascism, which is a subset of Socialism.


34 posted on 01/08/2012 1:10:14 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: mnehring
It implies, as Mussolini said when he first used that term, a partnership with corporations to centralize the State.

Paul should not have used this term. It merely plays into the common misconception, which you show here, that Fascist "corporatism" was an alliance with corporations (as we use the term today) to run the country.

In actual fact, fascist corporatism was a way of organizing the country in "corporations," which means bodies, that consisted of guilds, cooperatives, professional associations, labor unions and other groupings of people by function. Business corporations were merely one category of these corporations.

The notion was that people would be grouped for political purposes by occupation rather than by location, as we do. It is not in and of itself an oppressive notion, and does make sense in a way. In a highly mobile and cybernetic society, physical location is one of the least important aspects of a person.

But since Italian Fascists used the term, the common perception is that it means rule by business corporations, which is just plain untrue.

BTW, fascist corporatism never really got implemented. It remained a theory as Musso went more to autocratic one-man rule.

Businesses, as a group, were plundered by the fascists. There were favored exceptions, but that was just old-fashioned cronyism, which exists in every society to varying degrees.

35 posted on 01/08/2012 2:51:17 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Politics4US
“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

And the government tells the corporations what to do, which is de facto socialism. Socialism du jure is government ownership of the corporations.

36 posted on 01/08/2012 3:03:08 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Eva

Outstanding post! Thank you...


37 posted on 01/08/2012 3:05:53 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: ought-six

You are going the wrong way.... It’s left to right total control to least control.

Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Liberalism, Independent, Conservative, Libertarian and Anarchist.


38 posted on 01/08/2012 3:18:15 PM PST by Sprite518
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To: mjp

Yep. Paul was trying to attract liberals to his side.


39 posted on 01/08/2012 3:34:29 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: Sprite518

I was describing Marxism.


40 posted on 01/08/2012 4:22:57 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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