Shooting the Kahr 9mm

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[JoeProBono]

Shooting the Kahr 9mm

[mylife]

Excellent

[FreedomPoster]

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[JoeProBono]

PM9

[hopespringseternal]

I can't imagine buying a gun for self-defense and not putting a couple hundred rounds through it. No matter how good the reputation of the gun or manufacturer, you can't know for sure until you do that.

I had a K9, now a PM9. Both are different from most of what I am accustomed to shooting, but very concealable for the caliber. Never had a malfunction.

[Squantos]

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[papertyger]

I’m about to buy a Universal .30 caliber M1 Carbine as an extra “sport utility rifle” for my family arsenal. $200. Any thoughts?

The one I had was ONLY reliable with the plastic five round magazine it came with. Surplus mags were useless.

[papertyger]

I’m about to buy a Universal .30 caliber M1 Carbine as an extra “sport utility rifle” for my family arsenal. $200. Any thoughts?

The one I had was ONLY reliable with the plastic five round magazine it came with. Surplus mags were useless.

[longhorn too]

I have a model 1903 Colt hammer less in .32 caliber that was made in 1910. I have not shot it but that might make a good gun for her to get started on!

I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .44 Magnum, maybe I can get her worked up to it.

[Monterrosa-24]

“...a model 1903 Colt hammer less in .32 caliber that was made in 1910...”

Wow! I read that it was John M. Browning’s favorite handgun design and it does have wonderfully simple disassembly. My wife carries it with the chamber empty as the safety could move to fire too easily and grip safeties are never to be trusted too much. It does not jam with round nose ammo.

[P8riot]

Thanks, and all of the numbers match too, including the two mags. It’s got a little bit of freckling, but no pitting, the bore is pristine, and the action is sweet. From the condition I doubt this weapon has been fired more than 100 times. I know I’ve only put one mag through it myself in the few years I’ve had it. I tore it town completely after test firing it, and was amazed at the fit and finish.

[rcrngroup]

Well I am glad the PM9 is working well for you. However I do question the need to fire a couple of hundred rounds to get the kinks worked out. In my case, I fired approx 100-150 rounds, and every time the first 3-4 rounds coming out of the magazine would stick and I would need to pop the end of the slide with my wrist. I took it to a gun smith, he smoothed it down supposedly and it still did it. Plus the magazine would pinch my skin every time I fired it. It was the most uncomfortable handgun I have ever fired, in my somewhat limited handgun experiences. I now conceal/carry a Taurus ProMillenium 9mm which is a 3 1/2 in barrel and larger then the Kahr PM9 with its 3 in barrel, but I can still conceal/carry effectively with that. Also I have a Springfield XD9 Sub compact 3 1/2 in barrel, which is a little wider that the Taurus, but still I can conceal/carry that if necessary.

I am glad the Kahr PM9 is working out well for you. That's the most important thing, that you feel good & comfortable & confident with the handgun you use for conceal/carry.

TTY

[hopespringseternal]

However I do question the need to fire a couple of hundred rounds to get the kinks worked out.

That is perfectly normal for a firearm. If you know anything about machining or mechanical engineering, the fact is that any moving assembly has to wear together. That is why when rebuilding an engine you put all the parts being reused back where they came from. No matter how good the machining tolerances, that wearing will happen and the gun will be more reliable afterwards. Every manufacturer has to decide where to come down on accuracy vs reliability and there is a lot to be gained in accuracy by building a gun that might have problems in the first few magazines.

A gun that functions perfectly out of the box is a combination of a good design and a bit of luck.

I know what you mean about comfort. The Kahr is nowhere near my Kimber in comfort and shootability, but I wouldn't expect it to be. I bought the Kimber to shoot as much as possible, the Kahr to shoot no more than necessary.

[rcrngroup]

A gun that functions perfectly out of the box is a combination of a good design and a bit of luck.

Yes, I do know about machining parts needing to wear together, but the first 3-4 rounds of each magazine clip sticking continuously is not a good sign. If we are in a tough situation, the last thing I want to worry about is whether my gun is reliable or not.

In the last 3 years, I have bought 4 handguns (including the Kahr PM9) and several rifles, and all my guns have operated perfectly out of the box. Only the Kahr PM9 had any problems. And you're right it is a most uncomfortable gun to fire. I have not experienced that in any other handguns I have fired.

Anyway as long as you are happy & feel good about it, and have confidence in it, that is the main thing.

[mbynack]

I had a PM40 that was the biggest piece of junk I ever owned. I bought it new and the slide would never return to battery. Customer service told me to continue shooting it for 200 rounds. At the end of that time it still wasn’t working and they sent me some new springs. Fifty rounds later it was still malfunctioning so I sent it back and they charged me $125 to fix it. It still didn’t work. They slide quit going back all the way, so I sent it back again. This time they completely rebuilt it. The barrel had peened, the magazines were faulty, and it needed to be remachined. They replaced the barrel, remachined the frame and slide, replaced the springs and magazines. When I got it back I took it back to the dealer and swapped it for a Springfield XDM.

[Joe Brower]

Well, yeah, like they say... "Your mileage may vary". I've tried a lot of different makes and models over the years, and so far I've found the Kahr an excellent choice. Always gonna be a few lemons, which is why they tell you to test it, which you did. $:-)

One thing that's great to see is how many companies are now jumping on the bandwagon with the whole 'pocket nine' concept -- Kimber's Solo, Sig has a new offering, Beretta... there's no shortage of choices for this type of sidearm nowadays.

[mbynack]

I found out that Kahr was aware of the problems with the early PM40s and had a pre-built price list for the necessary repairs.

I wasn’t happy with the company charging me to fix known problems with their product. Especially when the product is so expensive to begin with. My XDM was several hundred dollars less than Kahr and didn’t require a break in.

I did like the Kahr for its size and the way that it pointed naturally for me. I can’t have a CCW that isn’t reliable, though.

[Joe Brower]

First I've heard of any problems with the early PM40s, or Kahr's knowledge of same. Got any sources I could check? I would like to read up on this.

Concur about CCW being zero-failure or no option. FWIW, however, my own experience with both my PM9 and PM40 has demonstrated them to be unkillable, right up there with my Sig P229.

The Springfield is one good gun, without a doubt. However, here in the land of beach shorts and tank tops, usually sweaty on top of that, and a gun can't be thin enough. The width of the XDM prints far to easily to be an option for me, being on the slender side myself.

[mbynack]

I'm a fat guy living in North Florida, so it's a little easier for me to conceal. I carry a Sig P239. It's reliable and can be concealed under an over sized Hawaiian shirt.

Here's a blog with some dissatisfied owners.

PM40