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ROOSEVELT APPEALS TO HIROHITO AFTER NEW THREAT IN INDO-CHINA; GERMANS TRAPPED AT TAGANROG (12/7/41)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 12/7/41 | Daniel T. Brigham, Otto D. Tolischus, Hanson W. Baldwin, Herman Wouk

Posted on 12/07/2011 5:35:25 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

On the news quiz, I missed five answers out of 31, so I earned a B.


21 posted on 12/07/2011 7:27:22 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
...the Oklahoma sinks but its later raised and scrapped.

Minor correction: the Oklahoma was raised - and that in itself was a very difficult operation, to turn it rightside up and refloat it - and it was sold as scrap after the war, but it never made it to the breakers yard, as it sank en route to California.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/events/wwii-pac/pearlhbr/ph-ok9.htm

http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/umrcourses/ge342/Salvage%20of%20USS%20Oklahoma.pdf

22 posted on 12/07/2011 7:32:01 AM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The King of the Belgians looks like he just got sentenced, rather than married.


23 posted on 12/07/2011 7:32:31 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Fiji Hill
"On the news quiz, I missed five answers out of 31, so I earned a B."

I thought it was 20 questions? I was stumbling....I probably got 5 right outta 20...

24 posted on 12/07/2011 7:36:25 AM PST by texanyankee
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To: texanyankee
Did the NYTimes publish a follow-up edition later that day?

At that time there were morning and evening papers in each city, different papers publishing at different times of the day. You would buy one paper in the morning on the way to work and a totally different one on the way home. And remember that with the time zones it was already afternoon on the East Coast. So probably not.
25 posted on 12/07/2011 7:39:50 AM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: texanyankee
I thought it was 20 questions?

Some of the questions required multiple answers, so I counted each one of those. If missing one answer makes you miss the entire question, then my grade is a C, since I would have missed five.

26 posted on 12/07/2011 8:02:03 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

guessing Knox will want a mulligan on his statement about the USN, by tomorrow.

also: the Hawaii “fortress” nonsense wont look too good tomorrow.


27 posted on 12/07/2011 8:36:22 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: Cheburashka

I don’t think anybody published a Sunday afternoon paper. Afternoon dailies that came out on Sunday usually published the Sunday paper in the morning. While the NY Times probably did not put out Extras, many other papers did.

Just found this book on the subject:

http://www.amazon.com/Pearl-Harbor-Extra-Newspaper-Account/dp/0785813411/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323279109&sr=1-1


28 posted on 12/07/2011 9:41:27 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: beebuster2000
Neither will this page from the Army-Navy Game program:

Note the name of the ship.

29 posted on 12/07/2011 9:45:04 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Neither will this page from the Army-Navy Game program:

The caption (picture apparently on next page, not shown):

"A bow on view of the U.S.S. Arizona as she plows into a huge swell. It is significant that despite the claims of air enthusiasts no battleship has yet been sunk by bombs."

Dear God.

30 posted on 12/07/2011 10:00:36 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I absolutely KILLS me that I have to go defend a paper today and can't just stay home. Oh well, here my notes for today, obviously a little longer than usual. I usually take a little more time to put them in a better order but I'm in a rush today.


31 posted on 12/07/2011 10:25:31 AM PST by CougarGA7 ("History is politics projected into the past" - Michael Pokrovski)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Battleships in port have been sunk by torpedoes; just ask the Italians about that.

At this time, no battleship underway on the high seas with the crew at battle stations has been sunk by aerial attack alone.

We’ll have to wait a few more days for that to happen.


32 posted on 12/07/2011 11:06:48 AM PST by henkster
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To: CougarGA7

“Early in the day, Churchill learns that Roosevelt intends to announce on the 10th that any attack on the British or Dutch possession in the Far East will be considered an attack on the United States.”

I had not seen that before. Where did you get that tidbit?

This would end the debate whether Japan could have attempted a more limited “Southern Operation” aimed at only at Malaya and the NEI without bringing the United States into war.


33 posted on 12/07/2011 11:11:15 AM PST by henkster
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To: henkster

I got that little nugget from “Winston’s War” by Max Hastings. I’m in class getting ready to defend my paper so I don’t have the book with me to check the citation on it, but I find Hasting is pretty reliable.


34 posted on 12/07/2011 12:05:58 PM PST by CougarGA7 ("History is politics projected into the past" - Michael Pokrovski)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

December 7, 1941:



35 posted on 12/07/2011 12:24:00 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I have every faith that Japan won’t attack the US, lol.


36 posted on 12/07/2011 1:36:28 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: henkster

Just following up with you on this. Hastings gets this reference from a memoir written by then U.S. Ambassador to Britain from the U.S., John G. Winant. The title of the memoir is “A Letter from Grosvenor Square.”

Just to put it all in better context I will put the passage from Hastings down. The notes I post can be a little rough since they are just a transcription of notes I take when I read that I put into a program I wrote that makes them searchable. They are a bit raw since they are really designed to direct me to a page in a book for when I’m doing research (I got tired of saying, “Which book did I read that in?”)

From Hastings:

On Sunday, December 7, Churchill learned that Roosevelt proposed to announce in three days’ time that he would regard an attack on British or Dutch possessions in the Far East as an attack on America. That day at lunch, U.S. ambassador “Gil” Winant was among the guests at Chequers. Churchill asserted vigorously that if the Japanese attacked the United States, Britain would declare war on Japan. Winant said he understood that, for the prime minister had declared it publicly. Then Churchill demanded: “If they declare war on us, will you declare war on them?” Winant responded: “I can’t anser that, Prime Minister. Only the Congress has the right to declare war under the United States constitution.” - Winston’s War, p. 180.


37 posted on 12/07/2011 11:13:59 PM PST by CougarGA7 ("History is politics projected into the past" - Michael Pokrovski)
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To: CougarGA7

Hastings’ recount of the conversation between Winant and Churchill doesn’t exactly support his contention that FDR would make the pledge. I do recognize that Hastings is usually pretty reliable (I have his book “Armageddon”).

I don’t doubt that FDR wanted to make this declaration, and he may have felt that he had or would have the support from Congress to make it. I think the “three days’ time” comment, coupled with Winant’s acknowledgment that only Congress could declare war was Winant’s way of saying FDR intended to drum up support for the declaration and make sure Congress would support it.

This seems to be a very important piece of the complex international situation and despite the fact that I’ve studied WW2 for about 40 years, I don’t recall having seen it before. Maybe I just glossed over it since Pearl Harbor and the invasion of Malaya made it a moot point.

Even though much of what FDR did economically was not supported by the Constitution, he did recognize Constitutional protocols, unlike our current president.


38 posted on 12/08/2011 5:58:32 AM PST by henkster
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To: henkster

Well, all it says is that he considered an attack on the DEI or British as an attack on America. That doesn’t equate to a declaration of war for certain. FDR can make that pledge and still not commit to a war declaration since he knows he can’t. But he could escalate his already undeclared war by extending his policy in the Atlantic to the Pacific.

I’d bet he was pretty confident though that if the Japanese extended their fight in the Pacific to include the British that he might be able to get Congress to sign off on a declaration of war though.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 10:21:47 AM PST by CougarGA7 ("History is politics projected into the past" - Michael Pokrovski)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Bump


40 posted on 12/06/2018 10:28:21 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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