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[NEWwoman]

During his electoral battle tour in the south of the States, John F. Kennedy visited Dallas (Texas) on November 22, 1963. On his arrival at 1140 hours, he was warmly welcomed by the people of Dallas. Kennedy, Governor John Connally and their wives sat down in the limousine of the President which led the motorcade through the town.

[Cincinna]

According to actuarial tables, the chances of that many people connected to that event dying at such a young age is 1:3 Trillion.

[Pelham]

“Yes. A surreal day, like 911.”

It was. Those are the two big events of our lifetime.

Our folks had two more, December 7th, 1941 and April 12, 1945.

[Pelham]

So why did Oswald murder Officer Tippit?

Oswald shot the policeman four times, in broad daylight, on a Dallas street. There were 12 witnesses. He must have had some motive.

Oswald was originally arrested for the murder of Officer Tippit. Tippit had stopped Oswald to question him. Oswald was a slender white male of around 30 years old and 165 lbs, the broadcast description of the man who had shot Kennedy just 45 minutes earlier.

[Pelham]

That one works for me.

[Cincinna]

The witnessing of an American President being shot to death before our very eyes is something no one can ever forget. The only comparable shared traumatic event for the Nation was 911.

I remember being glued to the television in my parents bedroom, all of us kids sitting on the floor. My sister and I went downstairs for a coke, and we heard Daddy yelling, “get back up here girls, they’re bringing in Oswald”. We ran up two flights of stairs as fast as our little legs would carry us, and got back just in time to see Oswald murdered. After that the lying in State, the funeral, all etched in my memory forever.

America had been changed forever. Yes, it could happen here.

[Melian]

I was in 2nd grade. We were at recess and saw our teacher walking across the school yard crying. We were so shocked to see an adult crying; everyone on the schoolyard stopped playing. The news of her crying— and then that the President had been shot—spread on the yard like wildfire. We were all shaken and scared. Some were worried Russian bombers would fly over any minute. We kept searching the sky. The bell to go in was rung early. We all went to our classrooms where the red-eyed teachers told us that we were being sent home from school. Our parents had already been notified to come and get us. From that moment on, every adult I knew was glued to the TV set for the next two weeks. Days of footage of people crying. It was a national nightmare.

[djf]

Which post did I make where I said that Oswald wasn’t involved?
Please point that one out, because I don’t remember saying that...

[SlightOfTongue]

Oh, I’M the loon! Just your looney opinion, of course. I not only believe what I said, I have facts about JFK that you, unfortunately aren’t worth the bandwidth to explain it, so piss off, loon!!

[Pelham]

"And I consider JFK in that bunch. He ALMOST prevented the Viet Nam war."

Well not exactly. Both Kennedy and Johnson were committed to stopping the communist advance in Southeast Asia at South Vietnam. Kennedy presided over a significant increase in our commitment there. My father's office partner was the Army's small arms expert and when returned from his tour in 1962 he said "They may not be calling it a war, but we are sure using ammunition like it's one." There were some 15,000 American military advisers in South Vietnam at that time.

By early November 1963 Kennedy was very frustrated with South Vietnam's President Ngô Đình Diệm. Kennedy let it be known that he wanted Diệm replaced and on November 1st some ARVN generals staged a coup. Diệm was arrested and the next day assassinated. Vietnam was left rudderless with a series of unstable governments. Ho Chi Minh could hardly believe his good luck. When Kennedy was killed 20 days later Johnson inherited the mess and his solution was the large scale commitment of American combat troops.

[kalee]

So did my husband. He was 8.

[ElkGroveDan]

I remember it too. My parents had just started forcing me to climb up on that big white chair with the bowl of water in it.

[Battle Axe]

48 YEARS AGO???

Wow I can't believe it has been that long. Where did the time go? I was a junior in high school. They put us on buses and then fueled the buses, the driver said that was against the rules, to have us kids on while they filled it with gas.

Did anyone else see something on TV maybe 8 or so years ago that had the girlfriend of LHO, not his wife, but another woman who had worked with lethal cancers in some sort of a subversive atmosphere.

I really believed her. She was in love with LHO and felt that he was just a fall guy for a myriad of others who wanted JFK dead.

I heard he was trying to do something with the money.

[Paisan]

Also, when Oswald’s neighbor picked him up that morning to drive him to work, he put a long package in the back seat. The neighbor asked him what it was and Oswald replied, “curtain rods”.

Has anyone ever found those curtain rods?

With one exception - Lincoln - ALL assassinations and attempted assassinations have been perpetrated by “Lone- gunmen-acting alone”

This was no exception.

[Condor51]

*** Anybody old enough to remember that day - November 22, 1963? ***

Yep, me.

I was Sophomore in HS, sitting in Woodshop when word was sent around by an 'office aide' (HS Sr on Honor roll). That was is it for any actual classroom work for the day. We still went to our classes but didn't do anything.

And I saw Oswald get whacked by Ruby live on TV.

[catfish1957]

Yep, was in first grade. Remember the radio coming through the classroom intercom speaker for the entire afternoon. Very stange since that had never happened before. Wow... approaching 50 years ago.

[PhilDragoo]

E. Howard Hunt failed to convince the jury in the libel case Mark Lane defended of the former's whereabouts on November 22, 1963.

In Bond of Secrecy by son Saint John Hunt, the career CIA officer names David Atlee Phllips and David Morales, both CIA officers, as complicit.

Mark Lane, Last Word: My Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK is clear that Oswald was not in Mexico City. The elaborate deceit of his meeting Kostikov the Soviet KGB officer in charge of assassinations was the work of CIA officers. Hoover knew the voice tape was not Oswald's voice as seven of his FBI agents listened to the tape, though Phillips lied to Lane that the tape had been previously destroyed.

If it's a simple one-shooter case-closed, why fifty years of claiming national security to hide the truth.

Phillips admitted to his brother he'd been in Dallas that day.

In Gaeton Fonzi, The Last Investigation Antonio Veciana the most violent of the Cubans run by Phillips saw the CIA officer in Dallas with Oswald that summer. QED Oswald was not a lone anything, was in fact run by the most important CIA officer in the Western Hemisphere at the time.

Oswald had no GSR on his cheek per the Dallas police paraffin test confirmed by the Atomic Energy Commission's Oak Ridge Laboratory--while seven test shooters of the alleged weapon tested POSITIVE.

Oswald did not shoot Tippit: Clemmons is credible; Markham is not.

Oswald did not fire on Walker: only Marina's post-mortem rehearsed tale supports this; Walker complained the bullet was switched, was not the Mannlicher-Carcano but a 30-06.

James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Mattered: Kennedy was going to limit the CIA as Truman wrote in the Washington Post December 1964: "Limit CIA to Intelligence"--Kennedy enacted Executive Orders 55, 56, and 57 so limiting.

His test ban and peace speech June 10, 1963 at American University, his resistance to force in the Missile Crisis, and more made him a "traitor" in the eyes of men such as Secret Service officer Elmer Moore who used the term.

I opposed him politically as a YAFer for Goldwater, but the Air Force general would've taken out Haiphong harbor, which LBJ would not do when requested by the Chiefs November 1965:

The Day It Became The Longest War

National Security Action Memorandum 263 was to withdraw the 16,000 U.S. advisors from Vietnam to be complete by 1965, but NSAM 273 was signed by LBJ Tuesday November 26, 1963 with the Tonkin Gulf Resolution the following year.

Johnson begged off March 1968, to clear the track for Nixon, the month before King was felled with RFK to follow.

Nixon of course was forced to resign due to the sabotage of the Whitewater operation which was stsffed by agents sent by Helms for the purpose: McCord, Hunt, Sturgis, et al.

Hoover's heart attack 1972, LBJ's heart attack 1973, Nixon's resignation 1974 so that stooge Ford could make Rockefeller veep and Bush DCI to set up the HSCA to protect CIA, though Blakey & Co. indicated probable conspiracy with organized crime as the likely perpetrator.

[Condor51]

*** McCord, Hunt, Sturgis, et al. ***

BINGO!
Hunt and Sturgis definitely involved. (Don't know about McCord but possible)

Hunt was in Dallas, he was one of the 'Hobos' on the RR Tracks. Sturgis ran scoped rifles from Miami to Dallas a couple days prior to Jack getting whacked. Met up with Hunt in a Dallas Motel to transfer the weapons. A 3rd man was there too (maybe McCord??)

It's all part of open testimony in a Federal Court trial by a CIA 'operative' (not Agent) at the time who would know dam sure - 'above reproach'.

Then, 'a few' years later Hunt's wife dies in a plane crash in Chicago - going into Midway Airport on the SW side. In her purse was $10K in Cash in brand new bills (prolly a payoff to the Chicago Outfit).

[wolfcreek]

Wrote my SR. paper in HS on this subject [with the help of the Warren report procured by my late Grandfather]

[NEWwoman]

One of my classmates was an Air Force brat and her dad had been one of Kennedy’s drivers.

Another great story! Thanks for sharing.

[NEWwoman]

It is amazing how traumatic events define a generation. I also remember when the Challenger exploded.