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Lost Roman camp that protected against Germanic hordes found
Telegraph UK ^ | Thursday, October 27, 2011 | Matthew Day

Posted on 10/28/2011 8:48:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

German archaeologists have unearthed "sensational" evidence of a lost Roman camp that formed a vital part of the frontier protecting Rome's empire against the Germanic hordes.

Historians believe the camp, once home to an estimated 1,000 legionaries and located on the River Lippe near the town of Olfen, may well have been served as a key base for the Roman General Drusus, who waged a long and bloody war against the tribes that once inhabited what is now western Germany.

The find comes 100 years after the discovery of a bronze Roman helmet near Olfen indicated the presence of ancient remains but it took a century of searching to finally discover the exact location of the camp.

"It's a sensational discovery for Roman research in Westphalia," Wolfgang Kirsch, one of the archaeologists involved in the discovery, said in a statement, adding that the camp was the "last missing link" in the chain of Roman defences in western Germany.

Researchers dug up Roman coins, fragments of pottery and the remains of old defences, while aerial photography revealed the course of mote that once protected the camp from German tribes eager to drive the invaders out of their land.

Occupied between 11 and 7BC and the size of seven football pitches, the military installation was probably used to control crossings points on the Lippe and act a supply depot for outlying posts.

"The monument has up to this point been allowed to lie in the ground widely undisturbed for over 2,000 years -- an absolute rarity, and, from an archaeological point of view, absolutely ideal," said Doctor Michael Rind, the chief archaeologist working on the camp.

Dr. Rind explained that the main goal now is to protect and preserve the camp. The exploration of the installation, he added, could take decades.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: drusus; germany; godsgravesglyphs; olfen; riverlippe; romanbaltic; romanempire; romangermany; westphalia
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The River Lippe in Germany. Photo: Alamy

Lost Roman camp that protected against Germanic hordes found

1 posted on 10/28/2011 8:48:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 10/28/2011 8:49:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Let me guess, it was the beer steins with olive pits in them... ;)

/johnny

3 posted on 10/28/2011 8:57:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ll take a wild guess that this was not the most popular posting for a legionnaire.


4 posted on 10/28/2011 8:59:20 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

So many possible smart assed comments; so little time.

At east the lost has been found, even if it is much too late to return it to its rightful owner. Serves’em right for oppressing my ancestors, when all they wanted to do was peacefully take part in the Occupy Rome Protests.


5 posted on 10/28/2011 9:01:37 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Too bad Drusus’ work in Germany (and that of his brother Tiberius) was undone by Varus.

I don’t buy that the Romans could not have reconquered Germany, as they recrossed the Rhine many times after the Teutoburg, and Drusus’ son Germanicus had some success in his campaigns, but it was probably not worth the cost in resources and lives.


6 posted on 10/28/2011 9:04:01 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: SunkenCiv

Note the pro-Roman Empire bias in the article: “protecting Rome’s empire against the Germanic hordes.” The “Germanic hordes” doubtless saw themselves as defending their homeland against foreign invaders.


7 posted on 10/28/2011 9:05:33 PM PDT by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: iowamark

Indeed. I dare say that my Celtic and Germanic ancestors would have a different perspective on this.


8 posted on 10/28/2011 9:14:34 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: decimon
From What I've read the most unpopular postings was GB and Israel. Eventually most of the troops in England were natives, hardly any Roman blood at all, except for the officers. I wonder how long it took to travel from Rome up through Europe and across the channel and then up through GB until they reached Hadrian's wall?

Facing the Germans couldn't have been any worse than facing the Celts.

9 posted on 10/28/2011 9:20:31 PM PDT by calex59
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To: SunkenCiv
Found nearby.


10 posted on 10/28/2011 9:27:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: iowamark

Hey! You gotta problem wit dat?


11 posted on 10/28/2011 9:28:37 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SunkenCiv

Cool need to break out my copy of Gladiator and cheer for Maximus. I thought the The Centurion was pretty good with the Romans fighting Picts. For me both were really good flicks.


12 posted on 10/28/2011 10:20:55 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: decimon

9 AD The Battle of the Teutoberger Forrest. Off to the east of this site, maybe 70 KM. A battle in which so many Romans were killed (48-50,000) that Rome gave up attempts to civilize and dominate what later became modern day Germany. Their leader Varus had his head delivered back to Rome. And Caesar cried, ‘Varus, where are my legions!?’


13 posted on 10/28/2011 10:24:33 PM PDT by CT
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To: Army Air Corps

Well, let me put it to you as gently as possible...if the Romans had conquered your ancestors all the way to the Baltic and the Danube the Germanic tribes would have become civilized a lot sooner and maybe avoided a whole lot of unpleasantness over the ensuing centuries...just saying !!


14 posted on 10/28/2011 10:26:16 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: mick

Europe is still divided between the Germans and the Romans.


15 posted on 10/28/2011 10:54:40 PM PDT by Savage Beast (History is not just cruel. It is witty. -Charles Krauthammer)
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To: SunkenCiv

Here is the German Press release from the Professors:

http://www.lwl.org/LWL/Kultur/WMfA_AfB/film_olfen/

Here is a film with the artifacts found on display:

http://www.lwl.org/023-download/Internetversionen/Olfen2011/Olfen_NEU_540x303.mp4

at 3:37 you can actually see the moat in the excavation pit.


16 posted on 10/29/2011 12:17:41 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: SunkenCiv

German “tribes”? Do they have a BGA (Bureau of German Affairs) in Italy?


17 posted on 10/29/2011 6:28:44 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: mick

If civilisation by conquest is such a dandy idea, then where is the Roman Empire today?


18 posted on 10/29/2011 7:57:57 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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German “tribes”? Do they have a BGA (Bureau of German Affairs) in Italy?

I just had a mental image of German reservations and "German Agents."
19 posted on 10/29/2011 7:59:29 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

It’s gone. Just like the British and the Spanish Empires. But the fact remains that civilization - by that I mean transportation infrastructure, learning, technology, improved life expectancy, etc. - advanced wherever the Romans conquered. It’s a fact of history, friend. The region in northern and eastern Europe that was not conquered by the Romans stayed barbaric for a very long time. And some historians I have read hold that that is one reason Europe has never been able to unite.


20 posted on 10/29/2011 9:26:02 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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