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1 posted on 09/26/2011 6:18:57 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch
Herman Cain seems to be a decent fellow but is he being chosen the right way?

Herman Cain didn't buy me breakfast, or anything else. I haven't watched any of the so-called debates. But I have heard him interviewed a number of times and I like him.

ML/NJ

2 posted on 09/26/2011 6:22:37 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: InvisibleChurch
Herman Cain is closer to grass roots conservatism than any of the current crop of candidates except, possibly, Michele Bachmann, to whom he is about equal.

It is pretty obvious who the establishment guys are, two dueling flavors named Mutt and Prick.

3 posted on 09/26/2011 6:23:24 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: InvisibleChurch

If a straw poll is packable, Ron Paul will win them. lol.


4 posted on 09/26/2011 6:23:38 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: InvisibleChurch

A straw poll is merely an indication of a canidates particualr strength at any given minute. It does not choose him or her for anything. It merely like any other poll, a snap shot in time. No one is “being choosen” by a straw poll.

That is what the actual primary elections are for.


5 posted on 09/26/2011 6:26:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: InvisibleChurch

What is the right way? Maybe it had something to do with his message that warranted 7 standing ovations. Parry and Romney come from the same cloth. Establishment politicians. The tea party spoke loud and clear when the voted for Cain. Now this is change we Can believe in.


6 posted on 09/26/2011 6:27:30 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Nope, it was the unblinking eye of the camera and Rick Perry's own voice that did him in.

All we had to do was watch him amd listen to him and I don't care how many breakfasts he got, nobody wanted him to be president anymore.

But that's what these debates are for, isn't it?

Cain won because he was honest, solid and real. No poofy hair, no lying excuses, no goofy isolationism, not a speck of RINO. Isn't that what we all want?

8 posted on 09/26/2011 6:30:16 AM PDT by Chainmail
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To: InvisibleChurch
I doubt any thinking person is swayed by straw polls. Everyone knows they are only a measure of organizational strength within the state, and have no bearing on the electability of the candidates.

Bachmann won the Iowa straw poll (arguably the best known and most influential) and she is just about to disappear from the race. Ron Paul has won a couple and he isn't going anywhere.

I'm glad Herman Cain won the Florida straw poll, but I don't think it is indicative of his future success as a candidate.
9 posted on 09/26/2011 6:30:26 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Herman Cain doesn’t have a “few hundred” supporters, he has hundreds of thousands. He has over 100,000 volunteers alone.


11 posted on 09/26/2011 6:35:04 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: InvisibleChurch
The Florida straw poll attendees were GOP activists who applied in advance and were selected by lot. On the whole, the straw poll voters were representative of the GOP base.

If the Florida results seem odd, consider that straw polls reflect not just the composition of the group but also the events immediately surrounding the vote.

Perry did poorly in the debates, did not stay and campaign after that, hired numerous former aides of the discredited RINO Charlie Crist, and, worst of all, in the debate echoed the liberal attack line against conservatives on the immigration issue. Romney is not fully trusted by GOP conservatives due to Romneycare and other flip-flops.

Meanwhile, Cain was solid in the debate, gave a great speech that was five by five on conservative themes, and campaigned hard for votes.

12 posted on 09/26/2011 6:36:32 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: InvisibleChurch

I really like Cain and hope he gets more questions at debates and is able to prove himself more and more. If He doesn’t then so be it. We should not write him off.

Perry has not impressed me at all.

Romney is a No.

Bachman is not gaining traction at all.

Palin is not in it yet. And I could honestly see her endorsing Cain.


13 posted on 09/26/2011 6:37:19 AM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: InvisibleChurch

It’s not ok but this is one voted on measure of popularity among many to come; it’s an indicator, not a pick. Would this question even be asked if Perry or Romney had won the straw poll? They are the media/GOP elite picks and how would that be that OK? If Cain takes off and gains momentum then great and I would be more happy about that than having the pick of the party “leaders” and the press shoved up my backside like they did in 2008. The primary process is a mess and controlled by the media and the national, state, and local GOP power players, not the voters. If the power players don’t like you then guess what; you won’t get money and support and will be left hanging in the breeze. That’s how we keep ending up with democrat Ben Nelson in NE. He receives tacit and sometimes explicit support from the “far smarter” GOP party leaders although I don’t think that will happen this time around.


16 posted on 09/26/2011 6:48:45 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: InvisibleChurch

These are not the primaries. Still have a long ways to go folks.


19 posted on 09/26/2011 6:57:15 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: InvisibleChurch

I don’t think a straw poll determines anything other than one candidate’s popularity at any given moment.

Cain had outstanding performances at the debate previous to this and I think it stuck in folks minds...he impressed me.

A few weeks ago I had a conversation with a very liberal friend...she’s a dyed in the wool Dem for many years with family who are Democratic State lawmakers.

We talked about the Republican debates, and she had watched all of them, and her remark to me was that she was impressed with Cain. I asked her why and she said his answers were clear and made sense and he didn’t seem like the normal politician with his finger to the wind..trying to always say the right thing.


21 posted on 09/26/2011 6:59:25 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: InvisibleChurch

The messages at the debate and straw poll were basically the same, but they came from vastly different messengers.

The people who are being dismissive of Herman Cain, or counting him out because they are looking at the current polls, should keep in mind that at this time four years ago, most people were wondering whether it would be Fred Thompson or Rudy that would take on Hillary.

Now that Trump has gotten people to start thinking that maybe we need someone who understands the economy and job creation, a lot of people will vote for Herman Cain who wouldn’t have before.

Herman has the right positions on everything important, without some of the HUGE baggage that most of the politicians have.

And being so open about his WHOLE life will endear him to a lot of people who may still be stinging from getting the wool pulled over their eyes by the teleprompter reader.

His positive intensity score has been the highest every week, until the week Rick Perry announced, and Perry got a little bump - then Herman was back on top the next.

I expect that he will be back on top of that one soon, as more people find out about about Perry’s Hispanic pandering.

Closer look at Perry = less support.

Closer look at Herman = more support.

Right now Perry is the shiny new penny, but people are going to start taking a closer look at him.

As people start looking at the other way of looking at “the two man race,” the Positive Intensivity scores on Gallup, Herman is the only one who really has it all.

Remember, talk is cheap for politicians at election time.


23 posted on 09/26/2011 7:05:19 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: InvisibleChurch

“Is it ok to let a few hundred people determine who the Republican candidate is?”

Is it ok to let the establishment and the media choose who the Republican candidate is? (It’s got to be Perry or Romney!)

I just believe that Cain is the more solid conservative candidate and I like him better as a person.

The reason I’ve chosen to seriously support Cain after the FSP was that I was part of the ‘but he can’t get elected’ problem. Once I saw that he had a shot, I heard the arguments about creating a self-perpetuating prophecy with my bad attitude and decided to make a commitment.

I firmly believe that the ‘he can’t get elected’ attitude is what gives us RINOS in election after election.

I’ve already promised myself that I’d never hold my nose again - now I’ve found someone who I believe in and I’m not going to settle for anything less.

I never believed in Perry. He’s crossed conservative lines too many times for my comfort.


26 posted on 09/26/2011 7:13:16 AM PDT by Marie (Rock you like a Herman-CAIN!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
A straw poll is quite different from a primary or general election.

I'd like to see primaries in all states held on the same day, and only people registered for a particular party able to vote in that party's primary. Seems to me that would save us all a lot of grief.

27 posted on 09/26/2011 7:27:22 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Straw polls aren't binding. They are no more important than the Homecoming Queen vote at your local high school; they just show us who's popular at the moment. There's nothing fair or unfair about them.

Don't worry so much [there'll be plenty of time for that next year].

28 posted on 09/26/2011 7:33:07 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Don’t worry boys. The lib media is well on it’s way to picking the GOP stooge they know will lose to this commie prick! So just lie back, close your eyes and enjoy it! Sarcasm off!


34 posted on 09/26/2011 8:03:11 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Some straw polls (like Iowa) are bussed in. Some (like Michigan) the voters or more often the candidates have to buy tickets to vote.

There are a few, like Florida, who have several days of candidates campaigning and things like Perry’s breakfast (they all do it), but the voters are delegates.

Straw polls like other polls can be stacked (esp internet polls), however Florida is much closer to a real vote.


35 posted on 09/26/2011 9:21:03 AM PDT by reaganaut (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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