Posted on 09/23/2011 5:44:03 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
A republican friend of mine is pissed off at me because I told them straight up that if Romney got the nomination, he won't get my vote. I'm not cutting off my nose to spite my face. So then the usual lecture came out "if you vote third party or stay home, what you're really doing is voting for obama".
I thought to myself about this prospect. Really?
If I vote zero times for Romney, I'm really voting once for Obama?
So then obviously, if I vote once for Obama, I'm really voting twice for Obama?
This is truely interesting math indeed.
A lot depends on whether you believe the rank and file Republicans would fight the policies of a statist Republican in Chief.
While conservatives may be mobilized at this point, and would probably continue to fight on regardless of the letter after the president’s name, I doubt that those on the hill, the ones we put there with the duty to vote, would necessarily do so.
on the other hand, my theory that it is better to have an easily identifiable foe in the White House than a Republican who is very little different in the long term is taking a beating upon seeing how much damage one can do in a short time.
I guess one’s opinion on that may depend on whether you feel it is better to bring it all to a head now, or later.
I second that!
What you vote for in a presidential election is electors. There is no sense in writing in the name of a person who is not an elector.
Sarah has already made her declaration of “ABO.” What would you do if she endorsed Romney? I know the chances are very remote, but given the hypothetical, what would you do then?
Voting for someone who’s history of actions and statements is inimical to freedom is the same as voting for the other side. Voting “present” is better than that. Compromising with candidates like Romney is how we got in the mess that we are in. Continuing to vote for weasels like him is not the way out of this mess. It will only slow the collapse, slightly.
-—————A lot depends on whether you believe the rank and file Republicans would fight the policies of a statist Republican in Chief.-——————
That is a damn good way to word that.
Consider this line stolen. :-)
Vote a straight Republican ticket for the eventual nominee. Take out the lower level Demos as they are the ones who are urging their reps and senators to vote all this crazy sh!t into law.
Vote a straight ticket and do yourselves and your children a big favor.
Collapse of the federal government doesn't result in collapse of the states, or some sort of apocalypse. The federal government can't be unwound gracefully. It built itself into a house of cards. The reckoning will come sooner or later.
Another point, that being that Congress has more to do with setting public policy, than the president does. The public has been fooled and conditioned into accepting the president as the domestic policy setter. He is that, only to the extent Congress invites and accepts it, and Congress is ALWAYS looking to blame somebody else, especially when it (Congress) is totally to blame for tax policy, spending policy, entitlement programs, administrative agencies, etc.
I understand that but we were not facing the extreme dangers then that we are now. I just fear that in our convictions we may enable things we had no intention of doing. I’ve noticed a trend of fantastic-conservative people holding to the conviction that if their candidate is not nominated they will not vote. I don’t want the good people of this country who do nothing (meaning not voting) to become the majority, whether it’s done on principle or not.
Vote how you see fit, but vote. Don’t throw that precious gift back in the face of those who fought and died to continue the freedom to do so.
WELL SAID! Worth repeating!
I believe the only real long term solution to this country’s problem is to eliminate the 2 party system. You can keep voting for RINOs who may bring some very temporary improvements, but just like the debt problem, it’s only kicking it down the road without providing a real solution.
If the GOP nominates a RINO like Romney, then to me, the best thing for this country is for the GOP to die.
Romney noted the differences and declared that his first act as president would be the abolition by exec order of Obamacare. What the hell exactly do you want or need???
I for one will NOT be helping 0bama get another 4 years by refusing to vote just because my favorite candidate isn't on the ticket in Nov 2012. I'll be voting for whoever ends up on the GOP ticket - even if I have to chug maalox first.
He did not say that. He said he'll grant a fifty-state waiver for Obamacare. The bureaucracy and tax structure will still be in place. It was done in the legislature which is where it has to be undone. No President can undo it by executive fiat. Would Romney or even Perry see the dismantling of Obamacare through to the end? I don't really know, but my gut tells me "no."
People are finally starting to figure out that as long as it keeps working they'll keep keep pulling that crap, and promising it'll be better next time.
I’ll still give Perry another chance or two but that’s looking slim. I WILL NOT vote for Romney. Think about it, if we had mccain in there, would it really be that much better? I won’t stay home, I’ll probably vote 3rd party.
Reagan is the only candidate I’ve ever voted for with enthusiasm. The only time I didn’t vote was in the Nixon/Humphrey election. Many voted for George Wallace and as a result, Nixon almost lost. If any of you don’t vote this time and Obama gets re elected, your votes in the future could be quite meaningless because the supreme goal of progressives is to have a permanent majority. With Obama you’ll get an attempt at massive amnesty, institutionalized voter fraud, Union thuggery, etc. Any of those republican candidates is better than what we have now. So you’d better think twice before you defiantly threaten to not vote. If you care anything about the future of our country you’d better vote for one of these candidates. I don’t think we can survive another four years of Obama.
There is no perfect candidate.
I would prefer an honest competent conservative candidate that can lead this country to become better.
At this point, we have two choices: A corrupt socialist/communist big government wealth redistribution Democrat Party; or
Republican Party that has a better overall policy of small government and individual responsibility that benefits the majority of its citizens that promotes freedom and opportunity for all.
However, many of its elected leaders have their own priorities that can be self serving and not always in the best interest of the Republic.
As was stated in the debate, anyone of the Republican candidates will be better than Obama or any other Democrat, so we need to support the best candidate, but realize that the totality of the voters will decide who the Republican candidate will be.
Let’s discuss the issues and promote the changes that we want, but stay away from petty politics.
We need to fully support the Republican candidate as reelection of Obama would be suicide for this country.
No, we don't.
It's a classic fallacy of false dillema, and a textbook propaganda ploy.
There are other choices. Those choices are going to have consequences and there is room to discuss and debate what those consequences will be, but it's an insult to the intelligence of everyone here to tell them that they only have two choices.
I am sorry but I am a Texan and know Perry a little more than most. His debating skill is not why I won’t vote for him. No Perry or Romney. I won’t really stay home. I will write in Palin.
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