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ROOSEVELT-CHURCHILL DECISIONS ARE EXPECTED IN ANNOUNCEMENTS TO BE MADE THIS MORNING (8/14/41)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 8/14/41 | Frank L. Kluckhohn, Cyrus L. Sulzberger, Daniel T. Brigham, C. Brooks Peters, James MacDonald, more

Posted on 08/14/2011 4:55:27 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: CougarGA7

agreed, plus one additional fact. japan tried for a couple years, and especially in 1941 to get Britain and the US to join with them in an anti-communist anti Soviet alliance as a way of being a partner and getting the embargo dropped. Britain especially didnt like the soviets, but didnt really trust the Japanese enough to bite.

then, Japan did in fact attack Russia, which only further isolated Japan since by then the allies had swallowed hard and began treating Stalin as an ally.


21 posted on 08/14/2011 10:19:00 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

I’m not aware of either of these events. Do you have a source for these?


22 posted on 08/14/2011 10:31:00 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: CougarGA7

which events? not sure which post you are asking about.

but, the main source is this NHK research. they have actual interviews with the figures from archives, and the govt, army, and navy records.


23 posted on 08/14/2011 10:43:47 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: CougarGA7

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/tv/featured/lineup.html


24 posted on 08/14/2011 10:45:36 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

Too bad that only gives me a 30 second snippet. I’d be interested in watching that series if for nothing else to hear the postwar interviews.


25 posted on 08/14/2011 10:57:33 AM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: PzLdr
Erich Hoeppner was not a Colonel at the time that picture was taken. He was either a Lieutenant General or a full General, since he commanded Panzergruppe 4.

It should have read Colonel-General Hoepner.

26 posted on 08/14/2011 12:57:13 PM PDT by Larry381 (If in doubt, shoot it in the head and drop it in the ocean!)
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To: CougarGA7

yeah. i sent them an e mail asking if the series is avail for download or on dvd. i ll let you know if it is. check out the trailers for the other parts of the series as well.


27 posted on 08/14/2011 3:39:54 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

Thanks, I definitely would want to download it if it is available.


28 posted on 08/14/2011 4:28:22 PM PDT by CougarGA7
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To: Larry381

mind blowing pics and text. making a donation to the freepathon in the name of homer and this thread


29 posted on 08/14/2011 4:58:00 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000
beebuster2000: "i doubt roosevelt intentionally ignited the war. just my view.
you could fight hitler without having to fight the japanese empire at the same time."

FDR did not ignite the war, ever, intentionally or unintentionally.
The war was ignited in Europe by Adolf Hitler, and in Asia by the Japanese military -- no single name comes to mind there.

The issue was: faced with a new world war, what was President Roosevelt going to do about it?

The answer is that, unlike most Americans of the day, FDR soon realized the US would have to do everything possible to prevent utter defeat of the western allies, even our closest ally, Britain.
So he set about doing what he could to help.

But it was soon obvious that what the President could do was not nearly enough, and Americans were not going to support getting suckered into another foreign war.

So FDR began looking for ways to provoke the Germans and Japanese into some sort of "mistake" which might enrage Americans enough for a formal declaration of all-out war.

But in the Atlantic, Hitler wouldn't bite FDR's bait, and such incidents as did occasionally happened were not taken by most Americans as enough to justify war against Germany.

And in the Pacific, the results were apparently the same -- despite FDR's efforts, no Japanese "mistake" serious enough to declare war.

Until December 7, 1941.

30 posted on 08/14/2011 5:56:22 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: beebuster2000; Larry381
mind blowing pics and text. making a donation to the freepathon in the name of homer and this thread

What a wonderful gesture! Thank you so much. And the pictures are incredible. I just hope they don't have me in therapy before the war is over.

31 posted on 08/14/2011 6:57:48 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

dont take this the wrong way, but i cant wait for dec 6. i want to read the paper the day before, and the day after.


32 posted on 08/15/2011 3:21:56 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Larry381

Is that paragraph from the Hitler heads east book?


33 posted on 08/15/2011 9:41:45 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: beebuster2000
i cant wait for dec 6. i want to read the paper the day before, and the day after.

Don't forget the time difference. As far as the print news goes Dec. 7 is the day before.

34 posted on 08/15/2011 11:09:04 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: jjm2111
Is that paragraph from the Hitler heads east book?

Sorry, my fault I didn't cite the book. It's called:

German Infantryman - Eastern Front 1941-43 by David Westwood

35 posted on 08/15/2011 12:52:10 PM PDT by Larry381 (If in doubt, shoot it in the head and drop it in the ocean!)
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To: Larry381

No worries man. :)


36 posted on 08/16/2011 6:46:45 AM PDT by jjm2111
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