Posted on 08/09/2011 6:10:13 PM PDT by rxsid
Edited on 08/09/2011 6:11:45 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
When the White House posted online an image of President Obama's purported long-form birth certificate, it also linked to the previously circulated "Certification of Live Birth," the short-form version that had been presented as the only birth documentation available.
However, the short-form certificate to which the White House linked April 27 was a forgery, claims computer expert Ron Polland, Ph.D., who says he made the image himself.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
“No such claim has been made that I’ve ever seen. However both parents must be Citizens at the time of the birth for their child to be a NBC. The method of Citizenship of the parents isn’t an issue.”
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Well, I saw the claim quite often, and yes, I do know that both parents must be citizens.
Did this not come up recently concerning Trump’s parents?
One was not born in the USA, but may have been naturalized?
As I said, it is all probably moot now, and no one will ever question the messiah again.
Thanks rxsid.
I take back part of my statement.
I do recall a poster maybe a year ago trying to confuse the parents citizenship issue by, (I believe deliberately,) falsely claiming that one of the "nasty birthers" said both parents must be Natural Born Citizens. The "nasty birther" had in fact stated both parents must be Citizens at the time of birth.
Excellent.
“I take back part of my statement.”
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Thanks for your reply.
Before other FReepers castigate me and treat me like a troll, I should point out that I lurk quite often on the inane Topix forums, and some of the obfuscation comes from that site.
I have been a loyal and active FReeper longer then most on here.
The point I have been trying to clarify is the status of the PARENTS, naturalized, or citizens at birth.
There were a number of conflicting claims on various internet sites.
I am not clear on the status of Obama’s father.
I understand that he is NOT a “natural born” citizen, and maybe not even naturalized.
Of course I know that the CANDIDATE must be a citizen at birth.
I do not need fellow FReepers jumping all over me for a simple clarification.
Some of the replies had nothing to do with my question.
Keep in mind, I live on the other side of the world, and many post go by while I sleep.
I can not go back and read all of a day’s postings.
Thanks
I made it this far. I was on that original thread with Danae, where it was memorable that she needed to be told that posting to ‘all’ was not posting to All. I would have declared Danae’s authentic COLB a forgery, too, because it contained information only available after 2007 that she claimed she had in 2000.
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Stop it. THAT was not the reason polarik declared Danae’s COLB a FORGERY. It was NOT A FORGERY! He used his *expertise* to graphically illustrate that it was a forgery. AND IT WASN’T. PERIOD. And THAT is the point.
HER mistake was honest and innocent. His was fabricated, fallacious and utterly vicious and malevolent.
HE LIED. And he planned to spring on her like a damn predator. Danae is/was a Freeper in good standing. She has an excellent reputation on FR. What he did to her was UNCONSCIONABLE.
To add insult to injury, he posted her personal information all over the web where others grabbed it and reposted it. He tried to do the same to me. He had us all at each other’s throats.
I am a birther. Proud of it. I do not believe the man is an American either by birth or by loyalty. I want him gone yesterday. And what polarik did was make it almost impossible for any of us to be taken seriously.
I was on the thread, several in fact, where we picked obama’s NEW offering apart piece by piece and step by step. WE showed it actually WAS a forgery and have since been upheld on that conclusion by REAL experts. But why do you think NO ONE paid any attention to it? OR to the experts who proved it? You can thank polarik. Defend him if you want to, but he conned everyone and now NO ONE has any credibility because of it.
Had he actually gone to court, he would be in jail now. And for MY money, that is where he belongs.
And I am done with this.
Anyone who calls me an obot knows better. I have been a straight shooter from the first minute I ever posted my first word on FR. And I will not sell my soul to defend a greedy, criminally motivated, pathological conman to bolster my belief that obama is not an NBC because everything he said and did was a lie, a scam, and a fraud...and he did it to YOU.
Brown Deer, I love you and Fred Nerks, I love you too. You don’t see polarik for what he is and I don’t know why. The image you see of him is not real. Nothing about him is real. It’s very sad. And I am so sorry because I WISH with all my heart it had been true. I wanted it to be true. It wasn’t.
It proves that the natural-born thing is not quite so black and white as some here would like to believe. Joseph Story too somehow leaves out parentage when discussing this:
§ 1473. It is indispensable, too, that the president should be a natural born citizen of the United States; or a citizen at the adoption of the constitution, and for fourteen years before his election. This permission of a naturalized citizen to become president is an exception from the great fundamental policy of all governments, to exclude foreign influence from their executive councils and duties. It was doubtless introduced (for it has now become by lapse of time merely nominal, and will soon become wholly extinct) out of respect to those distinguished revolutionary patriots, who were born in a foreign land, and yet had entitled themselves to high honours in their adopted country. A positive exclusion of them from the office would have been unjust to their merits, and painful to their sensibilities. But the general propriety of the exclusion of foreigners, in common cases, will scarcely be doubted by any sound statesman. It cuts off all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office; and interposes a barrier against those corrupt interferences of foreign governments in executive elections, which have inflicted the most serious evils upon the elective monarchies of Europe. Germany, Poland, and even the pontificate of Rome, are sad, but instructive examples of the enduring mischiefs arising from this source. A residence of fourteen years in the United States is also made an indispensable requisite for every candidate; ...ML/NJ
These things are easy enough to find before you go insulting other FReepers.
ML/NJ
I remember that pretty well... I believe it was the same one I had stayed awake almost 3 days straight trying to pick through all of the new info (pictures) coming in..
Also.. wasn’t he banned from FR over that?
A quick session in photoshop invalidates this story completely. The BW image used by the WH matches the current posted image at Snopes - NOT the manufactured file at photobucket claimed to the source.
It is easy to see that. I am not sure why this story came out.
That said - it is very, very odd that the WH would use a BW image that is clearly just an Explorer browser screen print (the headers and footers formats are default Explorer settings) instead of fresh new scan and photos of the actual COLB. Unless the COLB in the 2008 images has been destroyed since then. Very odd.
If Comrade Obama’s father was indeed Barak Hussein Obama (SR) as he claims his father was never a US Citizen.
He was here on a Nonresident Student Visa and never intended to become even a Resident Alien.
If I remember correctly, he *voluntarily* absconded with the caveat that he would never post ... as polarik ... again. He abused Free Republic like noone else I have seen since I have been here. He actually posted on his damn blogs and youtube channels, (of which there were many,) that if anyone had a beef with him, they could *reach* him at Free Republic...trying to send the dregs of the loony left hit squads over here to disrupt FR with glee...and a lot of them tried. Great mods we have here and the Freeper sixth sense caught most of them in the bud.
The prestige of Free Republic gave him a legitimacy he NEVER deserved and for awhile, he was king. NO ONE could utter even the slighest criticism of him without getting hit with verbal body blows, no matter how slight the criticism was.
Being fairly new at the time, I was actually afraid that everyone on FR would hate my guts or even that I might be banned if I said anything.
Finally, I told Jim Robinson I couldn’t stand by anymore, told him that I was going to expose polarik, and that if he saw fit to ban me for it, then so be it.
After receiving no response, I did it beause it was the right thing to do. The more I exposed, the more he exposed himself.
And that is why I cannot understand why some Freepers still honor a man who has not one honorable bone in his entire body.
Exactly.
I read this at another site and don’t know whether it’s true or not: Snopes had the Polarik fake and then it was replaced at some point. It was on a Citizen Wells thread quoting from WTPOTUS, IIRC, from a commenter named Miri.
Miri may have been just taking Polarik’s word on that. I’ll have to try to find the thread to see whether she herself saw the change at Snopes.
That may be the case. But the image the WH posted does match the image that Snopes currently post at their web site.
But is not strange we are talking about the Executive Branch of the Federal Government resorting to using a rumor debunking website as its actual source for a supposed critical document that they are supposed to have in their possession?
The fake COLB must have been destroyed after the images and photos were taken 2008 - possibly to create fake documentation for passport records. That is almost the only explanation.
August 7, 2011 1:38 comment
It seems as if she just took his word. She talks about Snopes being excluded from the Wayback Machine. I don’t know enough about that topic to believe anything suspicious.
That is a very good point. Why is Snopes the source? Is that a fact that no one can dispute?
They probably just took the first result from a Google image search.
One thing I know for sure is that Polarik is lying when he says the black and white image posted at the same time as the long form is a copy of the image hosted on his Photobucket account. The line at the bottom, "This copy serves as..." is clearly aligned differently, even to the naked eye.
Maybe Snopes did link to his copy for a short time back in 2008, but Polarik hasn't proven that it was linked to this year when the White House allegedly copied it. I've linked to the image on Snopes many times, and it's always been the current link, not one with the name of a man I would instantly recognize.
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