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College is a waste of time
CNN ^ | June 3, 2011 | Dale Stephens, Special to CNN

Posted on 07/01/2011 4:41:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I have been awarded a golden ticket to the heart of Silicon Valley: the Thiel Fellowship. The catch? For two years, I cannot be enrolled as a full-time student at an academic institution. For me, that's not an issue; I believe higher education is broken.

I left college two months ago because it rewards conformity rather than independence, competition rather than collaboration, regurgitation rather than learning and theory rather than application. Our creativity, innovation and curiosity are schooled out of us.

Failure is punished instead of seen as a learning opportunity. We think of college as a stepping-stone to success rather than a means to gain knowledge. College fails to empower us with the skills necessary to become productive members of today's global entrepreneurial economy.

College is expensive. The College Board Policy Center found that the cost of public university tuition is about 3.6 times higher today than it was 30 years ago, adjusted for inflation. In the book "Academically Adrift," sociology professors Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa say that 36% of college graduates showed no improvement in critical thinking, complex reasoning or writing after four years of college. Student loan debt in the United States, unforgivable in the case of bankruptcy, outpaced credit card debt in 2010 and will top $1 trillion in 2011.

Fortunately there are productive alternatives to college. Becoming the next Mark Zuckerberg or mastering the phrase "Would you like fries with that?" are not the only options....

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: chspe; college; economy; education; obama; unemployment
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Editor's note: Dale J. Stephens is a 19-year-old entrepreneur leading UnCollege, a social movement supporting self-directed higher education and building RadMatter, a platform to demonstrate talent. He is among the first recipients of the Thiel Fellowship, an initiative by venture capitalist and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel that gives 20 entrepreneurs under 20 years old $100,000 to fund their projects.
1 posted on 07/01/2011 4:41:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good for him - he’ll use the money, then in a few years realize he needs that degree and will enroll in college.


2 posted on 07/01/2011 5:15:26 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (When NY elected Weiner he thought they said erected...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amazed the CNN published this.

Right on kid


3 posted on 07/01/2011 5:16:21 PM PDT by dk88 (Keep your laws off my body)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

I know more than a few millionaires who have NEVER seen the inside of a college classroom...


4 posted on 07/01/2011 5:16:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tesla and Edison epitomized the same argument over a hundred years ago.


5 posted on 07/01/2011 5:28:12 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
conformity rather than independence, competition rather than collaboration, regurgitation rather than learning and theory rather than application

As a fairly recent college grad, I would agree with everything but the second clause. Collaboration and "teamwork" is the name of the game in a lot of courses. Of course, meaning that the slackers profit from the hard work of the good students. At least that prepares you for real life.

6 posted on 07/01/2011 5:30:29 PM PDT by thecabal (Redeem your mind from the hockshops of authority.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I understand that, however there are currently hundreds of thousands of college educated folks who are unemployed. When jobs start becoming available I just think those will be the first ones hired, over a kid straight out of high school. It will mean you must have a degree for jobs that no one considered a degree important for in the past.


7 posted on 07/01/2011 5:32:35 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (When NY elected Weiner he thought they said erected...)
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I was thinking the exact same thing. During my undergrad work it was all collaboration and no competition. Gotta keep a level playing field you know! It is not at all like that with my grad work, but now I'm enrolled in a private university and not a public university. I like competing with my fellow classmates. You can tell which ones are only there because they thought online classes would be easier! They start trying to get “study groups” together to discuss our projects. They are helpless without a group to make suggestions for them and point them in certain directions. Sadly, this is a teaching masters program. Most of them are not leaders as teachers should be, but simply followers who are happy with mediocrity.
8 posted on 07/01/2011 5:40:44 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll agree that college is not for everyone, but I am an engineer and I have worked with many, many technicians that envied the engineers, but nearly none were able to do the math nor did they have the critical thinking skills to do the job of an engineer. They only exceptions were the older guys that eventually “non-degreed” engineers...and there were just a few of them.

I am not saying that they were not able to learn what was needed, but since they did not go to school for engineering, they never learned it.


9 posted on 07/01/2011 5:41:09 PM PDT by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
College is a waste of time

Some College Degrees is are a waste of time.

There, better!

Unless it is a degree that trains you to DO something (Nursing, Pharmacy, Engineering, Accounting, etc) do not go into it!

10 posted on 07/01/2011 5:43:51 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. One Big Ass Mistake America!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Education is cheap.
Certification is expensive.


11 posted on 07/01/2011 5:47:47 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

My son-in-law has a brand new shiney Bachelors and a Masters and hasn’t got any job experience. I don’t see him getting hired by anyone who actually needs someone who knows what they are doing. His degree is in computer science. It’s a good thing his wife has real life skills and a job and no college degree.


12 posted on 07/01/2011 6:06:45 PM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Mikey_1962

If I had a kid that wasnt sure about going to college, I would point him to a trade like Plumbing , Autotech or auto bodyman. You can make decent cash and the demand is there.
I would even point him/her into a branch of the service.


13 posted on 07/01/2011 6:08:07 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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Congrats on ONE of them having a job. I’m thrilled if someone can get a job without a degree - I’m not a college snob - I just don’t think those without can compete in most situations. I hope your son in law will find a job soon.


14 posted on 07/01/2011 6:15:30 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (When NY elected Weiner he thought they said erected...)
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To: Yorlik803

I would point him to a trade like Plumbing , Autotech or auto bodyman.


AMEN! I know a lot of plumbers and electricians. All of them have done well and most importantly they are happy.


15 posted on 07/01/2011 6:17:34 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: goodwithagun

Study groups are often a euphemism for the smartest person telling everyone else how to do the homework.


16 posted on 07/01/2011 6:21:20 PM PDT by tbw2
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Study groups are often a euphemism for the smartest person telling everyone else how to do the homework.

Yep! Same with "teams" in the workplace. They use teams to allow the deadbeats to hide from having to do anything functional.

17 posted on 07/01/2011 6:39:39 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many people working at CNN have a college education? =.=


18 posted on 07/01/2011 6:44:05 PM PDT by cranked
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

For many jobs, you really don’t need a degree. Programming, graphic design,lots of tech jobs that pay well never use theory and practice learned at university.

US high schools push kids into college so they’ll go into debt for the next 10 years to pay to have social engineering garbage force fed to them for 4 to 5 years. This is because they were trained in communist overrun teacher colleges.

Most colleges and universities are no more than communist brainwashing factories that make debt slaves of their students via student loans.


19 posted on 07/01/2011 6:51:46 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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I”m sure there are jobs to be had without a degree, but guess what? His or her boss has a degree - so if they want to climb the ladder, they will need a degree. I”m sorry that most places don’t put more stock in experience and job knowledge, but they don’t - they want that piece of paper.


20 posted on 07/01/2011 7:00:55 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (When NY elected Weiner he thought they said erected...)
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