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A Million Electric Vehicles - The president wants them by 2015, but 2064 is...more realistic.
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | June 7, 2011 | Robert Bryce

Posted on 06/08/2011 11:56:53 AM PDT by neverdem

A Million Electric Vehicles
The president wants them by 2015, but 2064 is a more realistic estimate.

Back in January, during his State of the Union speech, President Obama said that he wanted the U.S. to “become the first country to have 1 million electric vehicles on the road,” and he wanted it to happen by 2015. Given current sales of the Chevy Volt and Nissan Leaf, the president may hit his target . . . sometime in 2064.

In May, U.S. sales for the much-hyped Volt totaled 481. The Leaf did better, with 1,142 units sold. That’s a grand total of 1,623 electric cars sold for the month. At that torrid rate, it will take about 639 months, or a bit more than 53 years, for domestic sales of electric vehicles to reach 1 million.

Of course, none of this is surprising. Electric cars are the Next Big Thing, and they always will be. What is, ahem, shocking, is just how gullible the Obama administration, and much of the mainstream media, has been about the potential for electric cars to garner a significant share of the market.

Why would consumers buy a Volt, which gets 40 miles per gallon on the highway and costs $40,000, when they can buy a Chevy Cruze, which sells for less than half that amount, is nearly identical in size, and gets 42 miles per gallon? The answer is, they wouldn’t. In May, General Motors sold 22,711 Cruzes(PDF). Put another way, for every Chevy shopper who chose the Volt, 47 others decided the Cruze was a better value.

Johan de Nysschen, the president of Audi of America, predicted the Volt’s low-amperage future nearly two years ago when he said that “no one is going to pay a $15,000 premium for a car that competes with a Corolla . . . there are not enough idiots who will buy it.

One could say that comparing the Volt with the Cruze is unfair, because the two cars appeal to different demographics. Last year, Deloitte Consulting released a report on electric vehicles that found that the most likely buyers are people with household incomes “in excess of $200,000” and “who already own one or more vehicles.” But in May, GM sold 11,623 Cadillacs — 24 for every Volt it sold.

The Deloitte study concluded that the U.S. now has about 1.3 million consumers who “fit the demographic and psychographic profiles” of expected electric-vehicle buyers. It went on to say that mass adoption of electric cars “will be gradual” and that by 2020, perhaps 3 percent of the U.S. car market could be amenable to them. Think about that: Out of some 300 million Americans, perhaps 1.3 million of them are inclined to buy an electric vehicle today, and perhaps 9 million will be willing to consider it a decade from now. And as the lackluster sales of the Volt and the Leaf show, only a tiny fraction of that fraction are actually buying electric cars, even though they could get a $7,500 federal tax credit for doing so.

As de Nysschen made clear two years ago, all of this was easily predictable. Consider a New York Times report contending that the electric car “has long been recognized as the ideal solution” because it “is cleaner and quieter” and “much more economical” than gasoline-fueled cars. That’s from Nov. 12, 1911. Or consider this assessment by a believing reporter: “Prices on electric cars will continue to drop until they are within reach of the average family.” That line appeared in the Washington Post on Halloween, 1915.

Obama’s electric-vehicle fetish reflects much of the inanity of our discussions about energy. The idea that oil is bad, and that we must therefore throw vast sums of money at efforts to fuel our automotive fleet with something else — anything else — ignores both economic realities and the myriad problems inherent with electric vehicles.

Those problems were delineated in a 2009 report published by the Department of Energy’s Office of Vehicle Technologies, which said that despite the enormous investments being made in plug-in hybrid-electric vehicles and lithium-ion batteries, four key barriers stand in the way of their commercialization: cost, performance, abuse tolerance, and life. The key problem, according to these analysts: batteries. The report concludes that lithium-based batteries, which it calls “the most promising chemistry,” are three to five times too expensive, are lacking in energy density, and are “not intrinsically tolerant to abusive conditions.”

The energy density of batteries has been the biggest issue for electric cars for 100 years. By weight, gasoline contains about 80 times as much energy as even the best lithium-ion batteries. Of course, electric-car supporters will immediately retort that electric motors are about four times as efficient as internal-combustion engines. But even with that advantage, gasoline will still have 20 times the energy density of batteries. And that is an essential advantage when it comes to automobiles, where weight, storage space, and the distance one can travel without refueling are critical considerations.

Nevertheless, some true believers still contend that electric vehicles are for real. And some of those believers are writing unsigned editorials for the New York Times; just seven months ago, one such editorial proclaimed that “electric cars could eventually be a real game-changer.”

Um, yes, “could” and “eventually.” My advice: Don’t bother waiting by the wall socket in your garage.

— Robert Bryce, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, is the author, most recently, of Power Hungry: The Myths of “Green” Energy and the Real Fuels of the Future.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; Technical
KEYWORDS: debt; default; economy; morons; obama
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

These people actually think electricity comes out of a socket ... but they haven’t a clue how it got there. I’m really amazed.

Why, doesn’t electricity come from unicorns that crap skittles? Or is it pixie dust?


21 posted on 06/08/2011 12:19:54 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Red Badger
Well, I'm planning on getting one of these electric gators for the small farm in Kentucky. And on the roads in my area, people drive quadrunners from neighbor to neighbor, so this would be great for the road too. And with the solar power system I plan on installing, it will be doubly good.

BTW, I think the fedgov still gives up to a $6,000 tax CREDIT for buying one of them, so it's basically free.

22 posted on 06/08/2011 12:22:40 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Logic n' Reason
How do we re-charge these here batteries? (hint: electricity generated from an oil fired power plant)

Logic n' Reason you are short on both, because both start with data. This is data:

Almost NONE of the nation's electrical power comes from oil.

23 posted on 06/08/2011 12:24:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: RobRoy

So was John Stossel’s golf cart...............


24 posted on 06/08/2011 12:27:22 PM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: Carry_Okie
Well...hell, son! Let's use all the clean burning, non-poluting coal we can git to fire up our powerplants!!

See...now that I have data...I can think just as "green" as you.

25 posted on 06/08/2011 12:28:35 PM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be ERADICATED....NOW!!)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Well actually, the point I believe is to make us less dependent on foreign oil. We only generate about 1% of our electricity from oil, the major contributor is coal. Im not sure if all our coal plants are clean coal or not, someone else may answer that if possible. In any case im not against these new hybrid electric cleaner technologies, I just dont think enough research has been done on them to make them viable, costwise aswell as performance wise. It will in a few years probably, with the main driver being big oil companies focusing more and more on renewables, aswell as cost reducing. In any case, we have more coal than the middle east has oil and we can keep going on our coal reserves for 200 years


26 posted on 06/08/2011 12:29:17 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: ThePatriotsFlag
These people actually think electricity comes out of a socket ... but they haven’t a clue how it got there. I’m really amazed.

Hey, I used to know some idiot who thinks the same way.

27 posted on 06/08/2011 12:32:18 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back.)
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To: neverdem

Well, in that case, is there any reason he shouldn’t be using them?


28 posted on 06/08/2011 12:33:58 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: neverdem

The president also wants America hamstrung, crippled. and laying in a ditch by 2016.


29 posted on 06/08/2011 12:39:03 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Logic n' Reason
See...now that I have data...I can think just as "green" as you.

Care to explain that?

30 posted on 06/08/2011 12:46:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

“and he wanted it to happen by 2015”

Well,,, he does think that it’s 2008 now.


31 posted on 06/08/2011 12:48:07 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: bfree
...the idiot Volt defenders should be showing up shortly, led by what’s his name-truthguy?

I'm here and ready with the truth because so many of you posting simply do not know what you are talking about.

Foremost among those is Robert Bryce himself, a journalist with no scientific or technical training either formal or practical. Bryce simply has not done his homework on the Volt. From the beginning GM only planned to produce 10,000 Volts in 2011. They will increase production to over 50,000 for 2012. Bryce's problem is that he thinks in a linear fashion. GM is releasing the Volt slowly in just a few markets because it's such a new and radical design. New technicians need to be trained to work on this vehicle. The first 10,000 units are already sold with people putting down deposits. Also many Volts are being leased because there are many who are cautious about such a new concept. These lease deals are not counted as sales.

So the problem with low sales is really a production problem. There are NO Volts setting around Chevy Dealership lots waiting to be sold. If you do not believe this, then go over to your local Chevy Dealership and see if you see any on the lot. Go ahead bfree. I'm calling you out right here and now. Take the challenge!

No the Chevy Volt owners are absolutely trilled with their cars. The car is fun to drive and very economical in the long run. Yes the first few years, this new technology will be expensive, but the price will come down just as it has with Wall TV's, Computers, and Cell Phones. A few of you here just might understand this.

For the record, Bryce was trashing the Volt, even before it was introduced. Now that's pathetic journalism.

The Volt has received many awards and accolates from the Motoring Press. It was "Car of the Year". It has a 5-star safety rating. I've stopped counting the awards it as won>. But if you really want to know how the Volt is doing, just ask those who have one:

Ask Volt Owners
32 posted on 06/08/2011 12:48:27 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: hannibaal
You aren't too bright. We make most of our electricity from coal, which is, in case you haven't noticed, a fossil fuel closely related to oil. Renewables cannot come close to producing the power this country needs even before electric cars are factored in. Plugging in a million electric vehicles every night and maybe twice a day will cause a massive strain on our capacity as it stands now, not to mention how pitiful our capacity will be if we go to "renewables"(solar, wind).

Unless a huge, and I mean gigantic, upgrade in batteries is achieved there is no future for electric cars and especially if we do away with coal fired plants, which should be augmented with nuclear power.

33 posted on 06/08/2011 12:49:37 PM PDT by calex59
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To: neverdem

Scroll down a little for the propaganda video for kids. ...also played from radio stations in upscale ski resorts.

Let’s Take a Ride in an Electric Car
http://www.peachygreen.com/green-kids/ride-in-an-electric-car


34 posted on 06/08/2011 12:50:01 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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It blows my mind that the same idiots who complain about global warming and energy use, are pushing to have millions of cars plugged in to the electrical grid. California ALREADY had blackouts. The coal powered electric companies are getting slammed by the govt.....and they want to plug in a few million cars on top of it?

I won’t even get into the idea of having plug in cars in Montana, Texas, Wyoming and all over the sunbelt where you drive more than you do in urban areas.

This is as idiotic as using corn for ethanol for no gain environmentally and loss economically.

The older I get the more I realize we truly are living in a sort of unreality where the media puts forth a false version that most people just accept as truth without critical thinking.


35 posted on 06/08/2011 12:53:56 PM PDT by Crimson Elephant
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To: truthguy

Dumb a**! Enough said.


36 posted on 06/08/2011 12:54:13 PM PDT by calex59
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To: truthguy


Yes, accolates should be accolades. Spell Check didn't catch it or I missed it. Yes I know the difference. Don't bother to post.
37 posted on 06/08/2011 12:54:48 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: neverdem

Up yours Barack!!!


38 posted on 06/08/2011 12:58:06 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: truthguy

It’s a 40K golf cart. You should buy 2 of them.


39 posted on 06/08/2011 1:11:49 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Red Badger
"Mitsubishi 185-watt solar panels"

The Volt would need about 12 of those for a full, sunny day to get a full charge, along with a good charge controller, inverter, many switches with circuit protection and some expensive cabling (see copper prices). Nearly everyone who is not an electrical tech. would also have to pay a small fortune for the installation.

The batteries will degrade, and the car probably won't last very long. I have an old, two-ton, 4WD, six-cylinder gasser that's not very aerodynamic at all and gets about 23 miles to the gallon on windy highways with mountain passes. And it will pass most other newer vehicles, like they're sittin' still.

And BTW, I'm building a PV system for a home place that's way off the grid.


40 posted on 06/08/2011 1:13:22 PM PDT by familyop (Shut up, and eat your brains!)
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