A new twist on the birther issue?

email | 5/26/2011 | Unknown

[bcsco]

Subject: IT'S NEWLY ISSUED BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS A PROVEN FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you all know, Donald Trump made a big deal about Obama's birth certificate. As of yesterday, the White House released the birth certificate.

I will tell you right now that I had never given this "birther" issue any credit. I watched the hype and the crazies come out. I completely dismissed the entire ordeal altogether. In fact, it was not until the White House released the birth certificate that it had gained my attention.

I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands. So, I took a close look at this document. While I would have thought that this issue would have been closed for good (and, got the crazies to crawl back into their holes), I found two extremely strange inconsistencies that merit some attention.

First of all, the birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in "Kenya, East Africa". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could have Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate". But, this is not the only thing that I found that just does not jive.

The other item that I looked into was the hospital that Obama was born in. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?

Go ahead, look it up. I am not talking crazy talk, these are the facts. Like I said, I thought that this was a non-issue until the actual certificate was released. Now that it has been released, of course I had to look into it. I have found these issues, now I know that something is up. If you doubt me, just look at the following resources:

Sure as hell, the hospital part is true, as you can read about the 1978 merger here.

Who the hell did he payoff now with our TAX Dollars to print this Bogus Certificate??......

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!FROM WIKIPEDIA FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post-colonial history The first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council took place in 1957. Despite British hopes of handing power to "moderate" African rivals, it was the Kenya African National Union(KANU) of Jomo Kenyatta that formed a government shortly before Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963, on the same day forming the first Constitution of Kenya. [ 36 ]During the same year, the Kenyan army fought the Shifta Waragainst ethnic Somaliswho wanted Kenya's NFDjoined with the Republic of Somalia. The Shiftas were defeated in 1967. [ citation needed] To discourage further invasions, Kenya signed a defence pact with Ethiopiain 1969, which is still in effect. [ 37 ]

On 12 December 1964 the Republic of Kenya was proclaimed, and Jomo Kenyattabecame Kenya's first president. [ 38 ]At Kenyatta's death in 1978, Daniel arap Moibecame President. Daniel arap Moi retained the Presidency, being unopposed in elections held in 1979, 1983 ( snap elections) and 1988, all of which were held under the single party constitution. The 1983 elections were held a year early, and were a direct result of an abortive military coup attempton 1 August 1982.

[bcsco]

An email I received yesterday. I'm not a follower of the birther topic, but I thought these allegations about the hospital names and date of Kenya's formation as a country may be new to the discussion and of interest. If not, or if the mods don't feel this is worthy, please have it removed.

[FrdmLvr]

hhhmmmmmm......very interesting about Kenya not being established until 1963. I’ll have to look into that. Thanks for posting.

[bcsco]

As I stated, I’ve not been active in the ‘birther’ issue, though I’ve had real doubts about Obama’s eligibility. But when I received this email yesterday, the hospital and Kenya information seemed quite new to anything I’d read in the past. So, I thought I’d post it to see what reaction it gets.

[ComputerGuy]

The Nordyke twins, who were born the day after 0bama, have ‘Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital’ on their birth certificates.

[DooDahhhh]

The OBAma creature is a total joke and most people know that...not qualified and does not have the experience or the smarts to full fill his job. A crying shame to have elected this bafoon.

[Da Coyote]

Add to that the multiple layers of a supposedly scanned document, the different pixel distributions of some of the layers, fonts that can only overlap if a computer is used (when the certificate was supposedly done with typewriters), etc. etc.)

That certificate is as fake as Obama’s “intellect”.

[babble-on]

There was a British territory in East Africa called Kenya at that time. 1963 was when it became an independent country, but it certainly existed with its present name, as did India Australia and Canada, before it gained independence.

The birther meme is completely dead. Let’s focus on government spending. Support Paul Ryan.

[urtax$@work]

Kenya name change & transitions timing discussed at length here on FR more than year ago. Don't recall exact results except FR-anti-birthers were thumped on this specific issue. You will have to dig back to older thread postings to find. I think discussions started on this after Orly Taitz released the {Kenyan}BC .

Also..before others here with incorrect memory attempt to discredit that BC, it was the victum of an attempted punk by obots. BUT- the Taitz-provided BC was never really discredited.

[Exit148]

A nurse-friend of mine worked in “Kenya” before she worked with me in NYC -— in 1954.

[ASA Vet]

The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

[ml/nj]

Your email is disinformation. That is, it suggests seeming plausible difficulties with the birth certificate that are easily refuted.

Here's a postage stamp from 1960:

There obviously was a "Kenya" in 1960. More stamps, first issue 1935, can be seen at http://www.iomoon.com/kilimanjaro.html. Someone else has already pointed out that the Nordykes' BCs have the same name for the hospital as the one shown on Bamie BC II. The were born one day after Obama's stated birthdate.

The hope in releasing disinformation like this is that it gets repeated often enough, even by people who speak of genuine problems with the BC, so that it gets lumped in with the genuine problems. Then when people who are only casually interested find out that the disinformation is false, they assume that everything they've heard about the problems with the BC is also false.

ML/NJ

[MrB]

But he’s “black”, and he can give a good speech! That’s why he’s qualified. /libspeak

[DooDahhhh]

I am about as tired of black folks than I have EVER been in my life. NEVER had a problem with that before this jacka** WAS ELECTED.

[muawiyah]

Neither issue is new, nor terribly relevant.

The name "Kenya" was in use long before 1961 ~ however the new independent nation state of Kenya wasn't established until after that time.

Earlier the East African Protectorate (which is mostly the city of Mombasa and a bit of countryside) was the capital city of Kenya (as a protectorate) and of East African Protectorate.

The Brits merged a couple of colonial possessions to create modern Kenya, but pre-modern Kenya certainly was known as Kenya. Do a Google Search for robert ruark kenya. That'll give you all the Kenya history you need to make your own mind up.

[DrC]

"Your email is disinformation. That is, it suggests seeming plausible difficulties with the birth certificate that are easily refuted." I think you're right. The claim about the hospital name likewise is easily refutable: "In 1931, its name was changed to the Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapiolani_Medical_Center_for_Women_and_Children

[muawiyah]

The document clearly shows it was prepared with a minimum of two typewriters and several different rubber stamps.

The big concern over hidden layer information is an artifact of what happens when you use that particular software to look at anything ~ and besides most of the "oh the horror of it" commentary focuses on a RUBBER STAMP MARKING otherwise identified as the birth certificate number.

[Elendur]

i absolutely agree with ml/nj.

this guy says “I am the studious sort of guy, and I have plenty of time on my hands.”
...yet the best he can come up with, is 2 things, Kenya and the hospital name, which are both absolutely debunked as a problem. ?????????
no reputable birther believes those are problems.

...even outside of FR, i noticed that “hospital name” point being spammed on many forums and comment pages. When 14 seconds of research shows the Nordyke BC has the same name.

...i’m a curious studious guy. until the LFBC, i actually believed he was born in Hawaii. ...but literally a few MINUTES of research here, can find MANY things that raise serious questions. ...so i find this posting odd, at best.

ml/nj’s last paragraph sums this up perfectly. ...and the fact that such a disinformation campaign is being waged not just here, but in many many other places, convinces me even more, that serious crimes have been committed.
...just as with Nixon, it’s not the crime, it’s the coverup.

[mel]

It is interesting, but it will not go anywhere. Sorry
with media we have today, it is stupid

[MrB]

Ah... I noticed the same thing.
I thought “race relations” were improving, until this jackass got elected and the generational racism of the black culture came to the fore because they felt “empowered”.

I have no animus toward folks of enhanced melanin, never have - but I didn’t realize that the resentment and hatred for me because of my lack of melanin ran so deep, and it’s hard not to reciprocate when it is made so apparent.

[tiki]

According to Wikipedia, it became the colony of Kenya in 1920.