Posted on 04/13/2011 12:43:16 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
I understand the general nuance of the birther argument. And I see there's more than one prevailing theory.
While I still have a hard time believing Osama was born in Kenya. I am warming to the idea he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, became an Indonesian citizen and most likely obtained an Indonesian passport which allowed his travels to Pakistan and beyond. As well as possibly entering college in the US as a foreign student. And I'm sure there was a Muslim thing going on too... much proof of that is already out there and not in dispute.
He applied and was awarded foreign student aid, student aid from his home country (Indonesia) at the time, etc... maybe he claimed a Kenyan birth, British Father/Subject to obtain student aid that way... very plausible and would certainly explain his reluctance to release his college paperwork.
And all of that could be done with a Hawaiian birth and a sealed B/C due to the adoption, Hawaiian laws and subsequent re-issuance of the B/C.
Anyway, lets focus on Trump.
Is he throwing the hail mary pass of the century with this claim?
Does he have something he's not yet releasing or talking specifically about?
Strategic planning at work here, the mother of all October surprises?
Possibly telegraphing to Osama, that I found your dirty little secret, I have it and your day is coming?
Blackmail?
Or is he just such a massive ego maniac, that he's let it go so far to his head he's lost touch with reality, has nothing and somehow thinks all of this is an extension of his reality show?
If Trump has nothing, produces nothing, ends up blowing all this media hype he's churned into a boil... that window comes and goes the media will eviscerate him, intentionally, for no other reason than to seek revenge upon him, discredit him even further and remind others not to mess with them, the media.
What does he gain, he needs to be take seriously in certain circles to at least keep his TV shows going, and money flowing into his pockets... that's Hollywood, the media, etc... why risk the only thing he has left over a Geraldo-esq Al Capone's Vault stunt?
It don't make any sense... none of it does honestly...
Now... for almost three years piles and piles of investigators from political campaigns, parties, WND, PI's hired by attorneys suing for records, and I'm sure some groups we've yet to even hear about...etc, etc... why do we think that Trump will find what they couldn't?
Now, If any of you don't think for a minute that the DNC hasn't been looking as well your a fool. While they publicly ridicule and scoff at the idea I am 110% positive they too have been digging... just in case it all turns out to be true.
No one seriously doubts that the media failed to vet this guy, but I find it hard to believe that in some room, somewhere, some serious top level journalist, editor or party elder has done a quality investigation just to make sure its not true.
To risk the destruction of the DNC... I would image that even the liberals in the media wouldn't want that. And throwing one guy under the bus to save the party is not out of the question for libs and the media, its happened before.
What would make Osama any different, why risk the literal destruction of the political party they worship for this one guy, who's frankly not even a very good liberal, by liberal standards... even his healthcare nightmare isn't what 90% of those who voted for him wanted, they were after full on cradle to grave commie care. Which while it is a disaster, its not full bore socialized medicine. And it looks as if the Repubs can defund it if they wanted to, so again what's he gotten the DNC and the MSM, why would they risk it all for one lackluster center-center-left-liberal?
There liberals yes, their ideologically driven yes, but I find it hard to believe that not one serious journalist guy or gal employed by the likes of the NY Times can't see or think far enough ahead to realize that no matter how absurd they think it might be. That if true it would destroy the entire DNC, their Saint Osama and create a Constitutional Crisis in this country that could possibly tear it apart.
I don't buy it... even dictators understand the idea of the endgame.
So I ask, what's the deal... why is Trump raising nine kinds of hell, what does he have?
Or is has he just lost it?
The last thing we need going into a presidential campaign is another loon-bat on the loose, running from TV camera to TV camera talking up issues. Taking away from our serious choice, if we even have one...
You know the media will eat that up and spend as much time and energy as humanly possible making sure he's on TV babbling on and on about God only knows what, while wearing a shower curtain with noodle strainer on his head.
We all better hope Trump has something.
If not and he drags this out until the middle of the campaign it will be a guaranteed 4 more years of Osama. And if Trump crashes and burns in too dramatic of a fashion he could impact House and Senate races. We could lose more seats in the Senate and lose the House.
Its not out of the realm of possibility.
Roger, wilco. Now 18:2
I was talking to someone the other day who said that even if Obama is found to have been ineligible to run for President, he WAS sworn in as President, and the only way a President can be removed from office is by impeachment - which would never happen with the current Congress.
Can someone rebut this? I couldn’t!
What party? The GOP? Trump is a member of the GOP?
I’m sorry but ultimately who do we have to thank for this mess we are in?? The spineless Rinos who didn’t challenge this before this usurper was even elected. They evidently didn’t want to be called racists and also put up a weak contender in McCain, they are more to fault than Obama.
Then again, Hillary! could have it hidden in an office closet somewhere, only to discover it at an "appropriate" time.
What is so hard to understand? This is about NBC, not where he was born. Prior to the 14th Amendment is was pretty damn obvious that NBC meant being born in this country of CITIZEN PARENTS. Even our Forefathers who wrote the Constitution exempted themselves even though they were born here.
NBC is mentioned only ONCE and it is DELIBERATE! It is the requirement for President and Vice President only.
Our country’s foundation is based on Allegiance to our Constitution. And if anyone is OK with just people just plopping a baby down on our soil and claiming they are NBC, then y’all have no problem whatsoever with any of the “tourist” babies being born here coming back at 18 from whatever foreign country they are raised in and becoming President.
If there is no distinction between NBC and Citizen then why was it put in the requirements for President?
It floors me that people cannot wrap their minds about the importance of Allegiance. Allegiance comes from CITIZEN PARENTS!!!
There should never be any doubt among the ranks of our military that their Commander In Chief is legit.
There are to many birth certificate threads and not enough natural born citizens.
This poster has limited knowledge regarding the birth certificate....with natural born citizen one can go back to Homer..to ancient Athens..Aristotle..to Rome..and beyond..it has been an adventure..discovering the Founders..reading Vattel.
The birth certificate day after day is boring..is Barack a Christian name..there was a Hawaii Christian name law until 1964...how many knew this..A British subject needed permission from the British government to get married to a foreigner. A marriage notification.. ad must be placed in Hawaii newspaper prior to the marriage..where is it..
I located 3 items..regarding the BC...with NBC...a treasure trove..plus..the Vattel research thread..is a work of art..
Keep posting anything regarding NBC..we appreciate it..
Important Difference Between a Certificate - vs. Certification - of Live Birth
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/important_difference_between_a.html
It's possible, but how do you know?
He simply started out as plain Barry, which is listed on the birth certificate, and then became a Muslim.
Is there any evidence of a legal name change from Barry to Barak?
Is there any evidence or documentation of who his biological father was?
Cordially,
“Our country’s foundation is based on allegiance to our Constitution.”
The Constitution is what is at stake. Sen. McCaskill (D-MO) and those on the Senate Judiciary (including Republican Coburn) attempted to bypass the Constitution with S 2678 (failed) and SR 511 which passed almost unanimously. Repubs wanted to make sure McCain was eligible, and McCaskill, who loved Obama and wanted to be his V-P, were willing to violate the Constitution to get their way.
The sixth “Whereas” stated that previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President.. That is a lie and omits mention of parents’ citizenship and natural-born. The McCain controversy was a smokescreen to get Obama eligible. They (Congress, Senate, etc.) all knew Obama was not eligible when they signed the non-binding Resolution 511 of April 30, 2008. Hillary knew, but figured she already had enough delegates and refused to expose a fellow rat. Have you wondered why Congress will not deal with the issue? If they begin impeachment, their duplicity and lack of allegiance to the Constitution will be exposed. The price is too great to pay. They would rather risk losing the nation to a usurper than admit their betrayal. Integrity has no meaning to them.
It all backfired on Hillary and Repubs when Howard Dean forced Hillary’s delegates to illegally switch their votes to Obama at the DNC. Was there a conspiracy? Did it have anything to do with extra info at the secret meeting of Congress on Mar. 12, 2008? Look it up. Some say members left crying or angry but were sworn to secrecy about the collapse of America’s currency and economy, rioting, etc. Were they threatened with bodily harm? Were they promised protection and benefits if Obama got on the ticket? I don’t know, but I do know Obama still has all the powers given to Bush after 9/11 plus Continuity of Government Powers (military dictatorship?) if we suffer another attack (planned crisis?). Obama is not loyal to the USA. He knows he is violating the Constitution deliberately. That is the issue.
Yeah, alot of men have that “calm” and become mooslim...
after a long stint in prison...
A prime example to support your statement is how the John Edwards story went down...
the POS MSM crippled themselves looking the other way until the INQUIRER, for pete’s sake, made it public and credible..
makes you wonder if history repeats itself...
But isn’t running - and being elected - president when you know you are not legally eligible for the position...FRAUD???
Trump has already won this one. For 2 years the BC issue has been floating out there with some traction. After Trump took the issue head on it has gained a lot of traction. This BC issue will need to be addressed by Obama for him to recover any confidence from the American people. Trump has forced Obama’s hand.
The information in a COLB is, as a practical matter, meaningless.
The reason is that there are three (3) levels of information at least in the HI birth records, including original registraation info, the INDEX of data extracted, and the info requested and issued in a COLB.
There are multiple and myriad ways that the original registration information may have been filed. From a standard hospital birth affirmation, to legally allowed “late registrations” “registrations of foreign born children of Hawaii citizens” amendments and alterations of existing birth records, including to modify the existing record for ADOPTION which may include changing the fathers name on the original record. In consequence of many of these variations, the original records may be SEALED and not thereafter subject to review at all. Information on the COLB from the INDEX may not match in many instances the original registration information. Some original registrations do not require any third party verification but may be made on statement by a parent or other applying person, and if at all may be based on nothing other than a family bible entry.
But the most intriquing example of how a birth registration may have been made in Hawaii prior to 1972, is via a late birth registration (subject to later change or amendment) which at that time could be made solely at the discretion of the director of health on affidavit of a parent, possible without any other confirming information. See: Hawaii code of regulations Public Health Regulations Chapter 8 former section 14. “Delayed Birth Registration” (”..additional evidence MAY be required”).
Whatever statutory legal presumptions may apply to a COLB under Hawaii law the simple truth is that due to the wide variety of manner and circumstances of registration, past lax evidentiary standards, potential for amendment and alteration such as by adoption, potential sealing of original records..and a COLB based only on Indexed data reflecting the revisions and nothing else.
A significant factor in continuing doubt as to Obama’s progeny is the unusual circumstance of no physician or hospital taking credit or being unequivocally named by Obama as his birthplace.
The information in a COLB is, as a practical matter, meaningless.
The reason is that there are three (3) levels of information at least in the HI birth records, including original registraation info, the INDEX of data extracted, and the info requested and issued in a COLB.
There are multiple and myriad ways that the original registration information may have been filed. From a standard hospital birth affirmation, to legally allowed “late registrations” “registrations of foreign born children of Hawaii citizens” amendments and alterations of existing birth records, including to modify the existing record for ADOPTION which may include changing the fathers name on the original record. In consequence of many of these variations, the original records may be SEALED and not thereafter subject to review at all. Information on the COLB from the INDEX may not match in many instances the original registration information. Some original registrations do not require any third party verification but may be made on statement by a parent or other applying person, and if at all may be based on nothing other than a family bible entry.
But the most intriquing example of how a birth registration may have been made in Hawaii prior to 1972, is via a late birth registration (subject to later change or amendment) which at that time could be made solely at the discretion of the director of health on affidavit of a parent, possible without any other confirming information. See: Hawaii code of regulations Public Health Regulations Chapter 8 former section 14. “Delayed Birth Registration” (”..additional evidence MAY be required”).
Whatever statutory legal presumptions may apply to a COLB under Hawaii law the simple truth is that due to the wide variety of manner and circumstances of registration, past lax evidentiary standards, potential for amendment and alteration such as by adoption, potential sealing of original records..and a COLB based only on Indexed data reflecting the revisions and nothing else.
A significant factor in continuing doubt as to Obama’s progeny is the unusual circumstance of no physician or hospital taking credit or being unequivocally named by Obama as his birthplace.
Obama is a citizen of the US. That is 95% certain. The question is, what kind of citizen? Obama has created this conflict himself by refusing to substantiate his claims. If Obama wants to end questions regarding his eligibility he alone has the power to make that happen. He caused the problem, he can fix it. End of story.
Donald Trump can only do one thing and maintain believability. He must produce the goods on Obama before he steps into the Presidential race. If he fails to do this, he clearly identifies himself as a ringer. Anyone failing to see the clear logic of this needs to prepare for another democratic president-perhaps Obama-for another four years.
We conservatives need to start using our heads and stop falling for every hook, line, and sinker. Apply logic and common sense. And not be afraid to call an ace an ace and a spade a spade.
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