Posted on 02/09/2011 3:42:15 PM PST by central_va
Davis was informed the next day.
What? Are you trying to liken secession to a coup? They were just trying to leave the union, not overthrow the government in Washington. Sheesh.
IMO pursuing secession was foolish and irresponsible when the fire-eaters tried it in 1861 and it would be even more foolish now.
You, my dear libtard, seaweed eating Greenpeace whale worshiper, cake eaters anonymous founder are no conservative. I'd bet you spend your Friday nights down at the gay bar along with that sidekick of yours garbage_truck, blowing in each others ear, while wishing they belonged to that President of yours. That big eared dumbo himself, Obama...
And if you start a revolution in order to institute the SAME governemnt, that's not a revolution. It's a coup.
“IMO the largest disservice the founders did us was to blink and fail to address secession straight-up.”
1st off, re: earlier post, secession is not in itself “revolution” OR “coup”.
2nd, re: this quote, perhaps it’s because they just went through attempts at “secession”, per se, and then a revolution themselves. And knew what that was about.
Kind of puts the lie to Yankee protestations about the superiority of the “Union”/Federal Gov above all else. By these views, the colonies’ rebellion was illegal and we should be back to England. Or was it just moot to you, since it’s done now?
Of course the Revolutionary War was “illegal” according to the Brits. No one ever tried to paint it otherwise. The revolutionaries knew that, should they fail, they would all hang. They weren’t frivolous in their intent like the southron fire-eaters were.
They knew exactly what they were starting and got exactly what they deserved.
The political conditions in 1861 are similar to those today. The SCOTUS handed down an extremely unpopular decision in the Dred Scott case. Slavery was the law of the land. People on both sides of the issue were not happy with that decision - the North, because slavery was not abolished and the South, because it did not adress further expansion into territories. Today, it is abortion and DeathCare.
Then, as now, an extremely unpopular President held office. Change was coming and it was not going to be accepted. The constitutionality of much of what the President does/did were raised.
The War of Yankee Agression was a truly unnecessary war. The Confederacy wanted to leave in peace; the Yankee government determined that once ratified, states had no power to leave and had to succumb to federal tyranny.
BTW, the first shot of the misnamed Civil War was fired by John Brown and his merry band of Abolitionists. Their aim was to overthrow the Constitutional Republic. Who ended the insurrection? None other than Robert E. Lee, soon to be the Conferacy’s military leader.
Some things never change. And the South was right, there is no power granted to the federal government to force membership(making people buy health insurance?)
Revisionism is never a pretty sight.
lol I take it you didn't read post #51?
Still trying to calim coup, eh? According to the online dictionary, a coup is "the sudden overthrow of a government." Somehow I don't seem to recall the government in DC being overthrown.
"Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson
And the tradition lives.....
The colonies did not secede - they rebelled. Likewise with the confeds.
-John Mason Brown
No, I’m saying YANKEES should think it is “illegal” or at least “immoral”, exactly because they don’t seem to think people have a right to leave anything.
Don’t forget - this was peaceable secession (i.e., leaving), not “revolution” as in turning on the gov to get their way. Secession began 1st; war started later.
At any rate, the purpose of both was to create government of the people, by the people and for the people. What exactly do you have against self government?
Colonies actually pleaded at length with GB for concessions which they largely did not get. At length, they rebelled, or rather it rolled that way when MA started it.
Ah, you see the truth!
Or do you think the “1776” rebels were immoral and illegal, by definition, for standing up and wanting to leave?
What is that?
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