Posted on 02/09/2011 3:42:15 PM PST by central_va
Davis was informed the next day.
I always get a chuckle when someone says “the south will rise again”. The south did rise (again). It’s doing pretty damn good - all things considered - and one heck of a lot better than its ancient foes.
Of course there’s always that one curmudgeon who thinks (OK that’s an overstatement) that the confederacy will pick up where it left off. That’s never gonna happen.
Enjoy what you have - it’s not so bad!
Slavery was ended in the north before it was ended in the south and it didn’t take a war to do it. Mine was a catholic school education so take the ‘’progressive’’ bs and stick it. Lee, yeah, I remember the name, don’t get cute with me, history remembers him as a loser. If he had done his job well enough slavery would have continued.As I said, if this flag and the country it represents isn’t good enough for you then pick a better country.
Baloney. Just for starters, nanny state prohibition was repealed. I'll leave you to your own devices to find others.
Obama is just the latest in a long, long line of national power-expanders. He's nothing new.
True enough BUT not only is the timing right, he and his apparatchiks are cutting a wide swath through EVERY institution in the country. His vision of fundamentally transforming America is breathtaking in its scope, in case you hadn't noticed. Few outside of political junkie circles even have a clue re what he's about. The Bill and Hill show which was very similar to odinga's was derailed temporarily by a Pubbie takeover of the House and Senate in '94. The shellacking the Dims took in 2010 was hardly a speed bump for odinga and his fellow travelers. It should be obvious to even the casual observer he will NOT be deterred by a little thing like the will of the people or some silly Constitution. He came preprogrammed with a job to do and is committed to the course of destroying America. We either have to remove him or stop him. I don't believe we can stand another two years of his treason. There's a project for you.
That's a fair point. Alcohol prohibition was repealed.
I've heard it said that this Country is going to hell for a very long time. This coming from folk's much older and wiser than I. At times I sit in reflecting on the last ten or so years and just shake my head in disbelief. What we have is some sort of way is a three headed monster: one being the Federal, the other being the State, and the last being the local. I'd love to believe that if we fixed the main issue the rest would fall into line, but this is wishful thinking on my part. If Freedom is our watchword and expanding it our goal, then it's well past halftime and our team is down by three touchdowns! What do we do? I don't really know.
There are some real hard choices ahead for sure. Do we just throw our arms up in defeat like so many others? Personally, I can't do that. I'm like you ForGod'sSake, I think there is hope and we can turn the tide. But we are running out of time. Like Huck has already correctly stated, once they take authority by whatever method. It's damn hard to take it back.
Having said all that above, the hope I see is in the respective State Governments actually standing up for the Rights of their residents. These War between the States flame fest are all fun and all, but we have our own issues today in 2011. It has been mentioned on this thread, more like a statement by rockrr, about regional bigotry. Yes, I plead guilty! Many of us that live in Conservative States like Idaho or Texas are fed up with that very same issue ourselves. When my State passed their nullification bill in Assembly, you should have read the comments on several Washington State newspapers.
With the understanding that people from different areas hold different values and beliefs. I really don't know where to go from here. Me living in North Idaho I would be the last to force my beliefs on someone living in Connecticut or New England. Apparently that is not how they see the world. They would rather force their good opinion of themselves down my throat by way of Federal law and tell me out here that my Great Grandaddies rifle is now some assault weapon; or, someone that has been a painting contractor for several years now needs some special training and license to paint homes because of lead base paint. Don't even get me started on the clean water act.
You know our Representatives in Idaho are part time, meaning they must work a regular job. Maybe that is why most of our issues are of the Federal variety, and people in States like California get it from all sides? Or is it just the simple fact that we are different, not everyone but most?
Quite honestly, Idaho and Connecticutt have no business being in the same republic.
It is true, that the south has recovered from the war in her economy and otherwise physical state(for the most part). But her people still suffer just as all the people of the united States suffer from there ever more diminish liberty.
This is a tragedy that should not long stand. God created us and placed us on this Earth to make and live by the merit of our own choices. We created Government to protect those most essential right there involved.
Justice was the concept that a man is responsible only for his own actions not that of the actions or choices of others.
It uses to be the function and soul propose of government to preserve theses rights and provide for real justice, not usurp them.
And so it goes...
And yet there are still those, with eyes wide open, railing against the principle!
Prophetic AND haunting words from Jefferson Davis. A student of the human condition I would guess.
So, you're satisfied with a marxist president?
“”Right. Then they ratified the Constitution and all that changed.”
If you think the signers thought for one second that it would take war to exit the Constitutional Republic, they would have signed it? If you think that then you HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of the founding of this republic.
The USC is totally silent on the issue of secession for a reason.
You are either very young or very ignorant.”
Not only was the Right of secession spoken of as inalienable in the preceding Declaration of independence.(Thus absolutely impossible to ever cede-away by any-means!)
The several of the ratifying convention specially spoke of it.
There is no possibility that the Constitution or any constitution for that matter could ever take from us the right of secession. That is what inalienable is all about.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance106.html
Secession isn't mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.
The several of the ratifying convention specially spoke of it.
Perhaps, but none spoke loudly enough or adamantly enough to compel a constitutional definition of the process of secession.
There is no possibility that the Constitution or any constitution for that matter could ever take from us the right of secession. That is what inalienable is all about.
That is a matter of opinion. Currently, the Supreme Court has ruled that secession, as practiced by the State of Texas, is unconstitutional and illegal. But no one here is positing that secession is forbidden or that it can (or should) be taken from us. Just that in their haste the fire-eaters went about it disastrously wrong.
“”Not only was the Right of secession spoken of as inalienable in the preceding Declaration of independence.(Thus absolutely impossible to ever cede-away by any-means!)”
Secession isn’t mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.”
Indeed it is recognize this line?:
“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. “
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/
This is secession both in description and in demonstration, but it doesn’t end there guess what they do at the END of the document?
“We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.”
Yes that is right the Declaration of Independence is in fact a Declaration of Secession.
It seems idiotic that anyone could miss that fact... LoL
“”The several of the ratifying convention specially spoke of it.”
Perhaps, but none spoke loudly enough or adamantly enough to compel a constitutional definition of the process of secession.”
There is no utility to defining a reserved right of the States in the constitution which is so fundamental and abundantly obvious as the right of secession. At least that is how it seemed to them at the time, given they had just fought a war of secession from the British empire and asserted theses rights to be inalienable.
But given the Experience we had with the despot Lincoln 150 years ago I think you may be right so that future despots may be less easily able to fool so many people into being their tool of tyranny.
“”There is no possibility that the Constitution or any constitution for that matter could ever take from us the right of secession. That is what inalienable is all about.”
That is a matter of opinion. Currently, the Supreme Court has ruled that secession, as practiced by the State of Texas, is unconstitutional and illegal. But no one here is positing that secession is forbidden or that it can (or should) be taken from us. Just that in their haste the fire-eaters went about it disastrously wrong.”
The Federal employees in black-robes have ZERO weigh when it comes to the extent of their own and that of their masters power. Of course they support the discretion of people who hand picked them. In that ruling they even knew their master was wrong when they tried to distinguish secession from the other word for the same known as revolution.
They knew they were dead-wrong but they were so bound up in loyalty to he evil they and their appointees had just got done commuting that they couldn’t vary well admit. 300 thousand useful idiots just died enslaving 11 States to their “unconditional rule”.
I say this with sadness as my ancestors were among them useful idiots.
The Federal employees in black-robes have ZERO weigh when it comes to the extent of their own and that of their masters power.
Does that mean you do not respect the rule of law? That would explain a lot of things.
“Secession and revolution are not the same....even the other Lost Causers know that. The Declaration of Independence recognizes the Gog-given right of rebellion. It doesn’t speak to the procedural secession.”
Nor would I expect it to as the actual procedural secession was already carried out by the individual 13 states one by one. (save perhaps New York)
But do enlighten us what “procedures” would you demand? And where did we agree upon them as necessary and appropriate? (Clearly we never agreed upon any such thing with the United Kingdom. Yet still declared our acts to be just and legitimate.)
Perhaps anther more fundamental question is if secession is not a revolution then what is a revolution?
What did our forefathers do on or before 1776 to “revolutionize” and in effect secede from the British Empire?
If you say correctly that there is no written procedure and uses that to justify your war to stop us then the present tyranny is no different then the last. Then our efforts for freedom must be directed at figuring out how to either bring down or cripple this tyrannical government prior to our move.
But do try to explain how we can peacefully do what our founders did...
“”The Federal employees in black-robes have ZERO weigh when it comes to the extent of their own and that of their masters power.”
Does that mean you do not respect the rule of law? That would explain a lot of things.”
You mean rule of a dictator, the law is written and agreed upon not dictated anew from a bench.
So you believe we’re living under a dictatorship?
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