Posted on 02/04/2011 12:39:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Remote Sensing Systems of Santa Rosa, CA has published the January 2011 global temperature anomaly. It is not far from zero, and dropped quickly much like Dr. Roy Spencer’s UAH data this month. But, there’s a surprise. RSS has changed from Version 3.2 to 3.3 of their dataset, and adjusted it a bit cooler in the near term. Here’s a comparison plot:
Sources:
Curiously, there’s no mention of this new v3.3 data set on their web page describing the MSU data products they produce:
http://www.remss.com/msu/msu_data_description.html
Perhaps they just haven’t gotten around to updating it yet.
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Ken Hall says:
Am I seeing things? A temperature record which has been updated which then shows the modern temperatures lower than the earlier version?
What would Hansen say?
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racookpe1978 says:
Looks like the 66 year sine wave of short term (3x the 11 year solar cycle) climate changes is heading back down.
Now, the question becomes: Has the 400 year long-term climate cycle peaked between 2000-2010, and we begin the Modern Ice Age?
Or do we continue the long climb up from the Little Ice Age towards a Modern Warm Period peaking in 2060-2070? (Then begin the 450 year decline into the Modern Ice Age?)
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Lucy Skywalker says:
I don’t know which record to trust, does anyone else? This post shows RSS being adjusted downwards. How did that happen? Did the calibration against too-fast-rising land temperatures reveal itself as faulty? In fact, do the satellite sensors depend on the land records for calibration? and if so, is that after Hansen has waved his wand over the mix?
I still incline to unearth rural station records, individual ones at that, preferably ones that can be compared with reasonably nearby urban records. For to date, I think the picture shown by many intrepid collectors of rural records is pretty stunning, and from all over the world too.
Verity published my piece here but I’ve updated the original here
But, but, but, they said on the Today Show the week before last that 2010 was the absolutyist “most hottest year on the whole PLANET, EVER!!!!!!!” (and if you believe that I have a hotspot in Antarctica for sale cheap) They said it right on TV so it MUST be true, right?
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frederik wisse says:
Just an observation from an outsider . Nearly all published statistics nowadays are contaminated with ideological smoothing of reality . Would the singsong of al gore cs be nowadays dropping temperatures then they would be showing unprecedented cooling and robust temperature drops proving their point , no need to flee into drug -related orwellian double speak . Looking into the details of the sst anomalies as presented by unysis certain cosmetics in painting reality can easily be detected . There are very clear maps of the extent of northern hemisphere sea-ice , showing sea-ice west of nova zembla , east of greenland and north of the fram strait . On spots where the ice floor is visible and registered by satellites , the sst surface anomaly registration is showing clearly above mormal temperatures between 1 and 2 degrees celsius . Is the ice too hot over there ? Is there daily smoothing going on to serve a not so hidden agenda ? Is the registration so inaccurate that any anomaly under half a degree celsius is well under that standard deviation in the statistics ? How are the temperatures in and around the fram strait measured and does the possibility exist to verify their correctness ?
You noticed the lack of info too? Good, I started trying to get stats on the death rates in various American cities starting in December 2010, and there are none. The number is not zero, because the number can’t ever be zero, they’re just not there. I searched by city, looking for local news and also with the CDC. ALL I get for hits are global warming BS. I used Google and Bing.
just keep you Fridge stocked and continue with your cable payments...we are gonna take care of you....says the Government.
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Dave Springer says:
CAGW boffins used up all the trust and good will between science and the public. There was a lot of trust and it went a long way towards wrongly convincing the public that burning fossil fuels was causing irreparable catastrophic harm. Several years ago when I realized CAGW had no foundation in science and was in fact just another FUD-based narrative (FUD = fear, uncertainty, dread) being used to acheive political/ideological goals I suspected the only thing that would stop these criminals in their tracks would be for the climate to start turning colder. After finding there was a 60-year warming/cooling cycle that was due to change I was hopeful it would happen before it was too late.
It looks like the worm has turned just in time. Now however we have to deal with two awful consequences. The first of course is that global cooling is bad. It engenders a need for even more fossil fuel consumption and even worse it adversly impacts agricultural production through shorter growing seasons, late killer frosts early in the season and early killer frosts late in the season.
In earlier times I would have counted on science, engineering, and technology as being able to counter the effect of global cooling and thus let the march of progress and continue the global rise in living standards. Now I’m not so sure. When the global warming brouhaha fully collapses and everyone learns how they’ve been hoodwinked the public trust in science may be harmed to a great extent. The next time the science establishment declares that the sky is falling and we must do this and that to prevent a catastrophe no one will listen and the next time the impending catastrophe may be for real.
What the AGW boffins did is unforgiveable. If it were up to me every last one of them that cried wolf over AGW should be fired and have their credentials rescinded so that they may not be employed in any position of public trust ever again.
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Chris Wright says:
Lucy Skywalker says:
February 4, 2011 at 2:02 am
“I don’t know which record to trust, does anyone else? This post shows RSS being adjusted downwards. How did that happen? Did the calibration against too-fast-rising land temperatures reveal itself as faulty? In fact, do the satellite sensors depend on the land records for calibration? and if so, is that after Hansen has waved his wand over the mix?”
One of the satellite guys that regularly posts data here repeatedly states that the satellite sensor is calibrated against an on-board source, clearly suggesting that calibration does not depend on the thermometer records such as GISS. Of course, if calibration did depend on GISS then they would no longer be independent and, worse, the satellite record would be badly contaminated.
I would suggest that the on-board source is used to correct for sensor drift. If so, it is quite distinct to the actual calibration process. To perform the actual calibration you would have to depend on theory alone – or you do indeed calibrate against a more ‘reliable’ source which presumably means thermometers.
I hope that the satellits record is not contaminated by the appalling thermometer records. But I would like to know how precisely the sensor outputs are converted to temperature. I seriously doubt that the on-board source can do this.
Chris
Did you ever read Fallen Angels? It’s a three author book, one of whom is Larry Niven. Another ice Age is hitting Earth, but the Greens have taken over the governments and they hate technology. People still live on defunded space stations, They can produce most of what they need, but need nitrogen for their air mixture. Two pilots try scooping oxygen in a ramship from the atmosphere, but they get shot down. It’s up to a group of Ellison-esque techniphiles to save them from the glacier and get them back into space.
Basically, what if the patients DO mange to take over the asylum just as it’s about to implode?
For having three authors, it’s a decently written book but in bad need of editing, but since I’m reading it right now, I have to say that the parallels to today’s headlines, like NM and their state of emergency, are downright skincrawlingly CREEPY.
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Patrick Davis says:
“P. Solar says:
February 4, 2011 at 4:56 am”
Or Mark Twain.
But yes, it is odd that this new dataset is adjusted, either way, I don’t care. It is still adjusted (Mannipulated). Opens up even more questions about their methods, data and “science” IMO. What base measure was used to re-adjust the data? What data was used (Can’t be stuff from UEA CRU, the cat ate it in the move)? Why the adjustment now (After Climategate, the Copenhagen failure, massive cold almost everywhere, dare I say globally)?
I smell a, politically biased, fishy smelling temperature rat!
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Chris Wright says:
WUWT has an interesting explanation about satellite calibration etc by Dr Roy Spencer:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/12/how-the-uah-global-temperatures-are-produced/
He answers my question right at the end:
“Fortunately, John Christy has spent a lot of time comparing our datasets to radiosonde (weather balloon) datasets, and finds very good long-term agreement.”
I think I’m satisfied. Of course, it does mean we have to worry about whether the rediosonde data has been ‘adjusted’ to match the surface data.
Overall, I’m reasonably satisfied that the satellite record is reliable. By the way, doesn’t AGW theory predict that the satellite (atmospheric) record should show more warming than the surface?
Chris
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And that would be the Hot Spot......that seems to be missing....from actual measurements....
The computer models predict the hot spot in the atmosphere over the tropics...
See the JoNova website for much info on that.
Forget late in the season, for the past few years it's frosts in June and July that are the real killers - you expect frost by the beginning of September. Well, WE do. But it's true, this is the conundrum that caused the Algore crowd to change "global warming" (didn't they CANCEL that a couple of years ago due to global cooling?) to "climate change", which convenient;y covers everything from monsoons and blizzards to traffic jams and male pattern baldness.
Greenies are phobic of change. Change equals any technological innovation our species invents in order to adapt to geological climate change (as opposed to environazi climate change). I've written several papers explaining the difference between "preservationists" - the environazis who want nothing touched even if it's a damaging invasive species - and "conservationists", who believe in careful husbandry of the earths resources - we got knocked down in the 1970s
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Murray Duffin says:
racookpe1978 says:
Now, the question becomes: Has the 400 year long-term climate cycle peaked between 2000-2010, and we begin the Modern Ice Age?
Or do we continue the long climb up from the Little Ice Age towards a Modern Warm Period peaking in 2060-2070? (Then begin the 450 year decline into the Modern Ice Age?)
Both and neither – see http://www.agwnot.blogspot.com/
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Title of the article which looks interesting...is:
Thanks...for the additions....
I have not read the book...
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