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How Did Steve Jobs Get His Liver?
slate.com ^ | Jan. 19, 2011 | William Saletan

Posted on 01/20/2011 6:08:36 AM PST by Daffynition

What's wrong with Steve Jobs? Apple won't say. On Monday, the company said he was taking a medical leave—his third since 2004—but refused to disclose why. Yesterday Apple touted its market prospects in a conference call but again said nothing about its CEO's health. You can argue that Jobs' medical privacy is more important than the interests of Apple's investors. But there's another reason why he should tell us what's going on, and it's bigger than money. It's life and death.

Two years ago, Jobs gamed the transplant allocation system to get a liver that could have saved somebody else. At the time, skeptics doubted that he should have received the organ, since he'd been treated for pancreatic cancer—in fact, he may have sought the liver because of the cancer—and the likelihood of the cancer's recurrence made him a bad bet for putting the liver to best use. If his health is now failing because of the cancer, that suspicion may be vindicated.

Jobs lives in Northern California, but he got his liver in Tennessee. Why? Different parts of the country have different waiting lists, and the wait in Northern California was three times longer than the wait in Tennessee. In fact, the median wait in the Tennessee area where Jobs snagged his liver was around 15 percent of the national average. Jobs confirmed last year that this is why he went to Tennessee: "My doctors here advised me to enroll in a transplant program in Memphis, Tennessee, where the supply/demand ratio of livers is more favorable than it is in California here."* Legally, you're allowed to get on multiple waiting lists around the country. That's how you game the system.

So why doesn't everybody do this? [snip]

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: davidcrosby; larryhagman; mickeymantle
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To: Daffynition

A “great title to the article” bump


21 posted on 01/20/2011 6:30:05 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (slip or be sleppy)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Well if its legal whats the problem? “

Actually, the problem—which Slate would never dare state—is that it is ILLEGAL to pay donors for organ transplants. Absent that obscene policy, we would not have literally thousands of potential organ transplant recipients dying every year on the waiting list. Jobs used his wealth to end-around a government-created mess.

Of course when the Organ Transplant Act was enacted in 1984, no one characterized it as encouraging “death panels” but the practical result is that patients every year live and die based purely on luck-of-the-draw or decisions about who “deserves” the limited supply of available donated organs. Yet another reason we don’t want government running all of health care.


22 posted on 01/20/2011 6:30:08 AM PST by DrC
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To: DrC

ONE QUESTION: David Crosby-he had money,fame, and he abused his body big time-was he entitled?


23 posted on 01/20/2011 6:33:59 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Daffynition

24 posted on 01/20/2011 6:34:18 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: demshateGod
When you read the news and hear about rapes and murders, most of the people committing those crimes are poor.

Hollywood LOVES the well-off sociopath demographic, but in real life, wealthy people cannot afford to be criminals. Poor people have nothing to lose when they get caught. Well-off people can lose everything.

25 posted on 01/20/2011 6:35:28 AM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too...)
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To: Daffynition

I assume he got with a bottle of Chianti...


26 posted on 01/20/2011 6:35:56 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: DrC
Of course when the Organ Transplant Act was enacted in 1984, no one characterized it as encouraging “death panels” but the practical result is that patients every year live and die based purely on luck-of-the-draw or decisions about who “deserves” the limited supply of available donated organs. Yet another reason we don’t want government running all of health care.

So, I take it you favor an open market on livers, so that only the people with the most money will get the transplants, instead of everybody having an even chance.

But hey ... I'm sure some smart Wall Street investment firm will figure out that they can make a pretty penny selling organ insurance. And then you're back to the same spot.

27 posted on 01/20/2011 6:39:11 AM PST by r9etb
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To: demshateGod
I’d almost guarantee all the people who’ve stolen things from me were poor people.

Clearly, you're not aware that the liberals see this as a way of "leveling the playing field". I remember when Katrina hit NO and looting was rampant in the city, including pictures of residents stealing designer jeans. That's when Celine Dion said: Let them steal them. They probably never have had a pair of designer jeans! That's the way they think. Clearly, when you make $158,333.33 per day (http://www.salary-money.com/celine-dion-salary-38000000.php), you get a warped sense of fairness. Yet, I don't see her in NO handing out jeans that she paid for. Wonder why.

28 posted on 01/20/2011 6:39:39 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Daffynition

Chinese Prisoner perhaps?


29 posted on 01/20/2011 6:42:31 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Daffynition
the median wait in the Tennessee area where Jobs snagged his liver was around 15 percent of the national average.

Wonder why there's such an abundance of transplant livers in Tennessee?

30 posted on 01/20/2011 6:44:11 AM PST by OB1kNOb (You are free to choose your actions, but never the resulting consequences.)
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To: silverleaf; All

So what.

shall we publish the name of every liver transplant patient who dies within 2 years as an organ thief??


Problem is that Jobs should have never received a Liver Transplant if he had pancreatic cancer. As a general rule, you cannot get a liver transplant if cancer has spread to other internal organs...especially the pancreas (since there is no real cure for pancreatic cancer)

I do not think Jobs getting on the Tennessee transplant list gamed the system....it was his getting an organ that he had no business getting. His transplant appears to be a waste of a good liver


31 posted on 01/20/2011 6:45:49 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Whenever something is "Global"...it means its bad for America)
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To: r9etb
But hey ... I'm sure some smart Wall Street investment firm will figure out that they can make a pretty penny selling organ insurance. And then you're back to the same spot.

Except wouldn't the pool of organs be larger now, since there was a greater incentive to donate?

32 posted on 01/20/2011 6:48:51 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Liver App Liver App :D :D


33 posted on 01/20/2011 6:51:32 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT
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To: OB1kNOb

“Wonder why there’s such an abundance of transplant livers in Tennessee?”

My guess would be bad roads and no seat belt.


34 posted on 01/20/2011 6:51:52 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Daffynition
Not aimed at you Daffy, but at author of article. The only time I'm surprised anymore is when I think, "That's as low as you can go."

Attacking a guy with liver cancer for doing everything he can to survive, well, as the Joker said, "Even for a guy like me, that's cold."

Is the pursuit of market share worth throwing away all pretense of compassion or dignity? Call Jobs a control freak? No problem. Call him a jerk who treats subordinates poorly? That's part of the game. Claim his products are overpriced? Totally understandable market tactic.

Disparaging him for getting on multiple waiting lists for a liver transplant when the clock is ticking on his life? That's beyond any standard of decency. EVERY LIVER TRANSPLANT VICTIM CAN BE ATTACKED IN THE SAME WAY BECAUSE EVERY LIVER COULD HAVE BEEN USED ON SOMEONE ELSE.

35 posted on 01/20/2011 6:58:31 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Daffynition
Not aimed at you Daffy, but at author of article. The only time I'm surprised anymore is when I think, "That's as low as you can go."

Attacking a guy with liver cancer for doing everything he can to survive, well, as the Joker said, "Even for a guy like me, that's cold."

Is the pursuit of market share worth throwing away all pretense of compassion or dignity? Call Jobs a control freak? No problem. Call him a jerk who treats subordinates poorly? That's part of the game. Claim his products are overpriced? Totally understandable market tactic.

Disparaging him for getting on multiple waiting lists for a liver transplant when the clock is ticking on his life? That's beyond any standard of decency. EVERY LIVER TRANSPLANT VICTIM CAN BE ATTACKED IN THE SAME WAY BECAUSE EVERY LIVER COULD HAVE BEEN USED ON SOMEONE ELSE.

36 posted on 01/20/2011 6:58:31 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Daffynition

I have no problem with him doing this. I’m willing to bet that the man has donated big bucks to research involving pancreatic cancer and other cancers. Just because he happens to be rich, happens to have the wherewithal to do what he did makes no difference to me. There will be plenty of fallout that will benefit many others. His extended lifespan is most likely going to be helpful to lots of people.

I also think that if his number was up, God would have already called him home. He’s still living for a reason.


37 posted on 01/20/2011 6:59:26 AM PST by Marty
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To: Daffynition

I have no problem with him doing this. I’m willing to bet that the man has donated big bucks to research involving pancreatic cancer and other cancers. Just because he happens to be rich, happens to have the wherewithal to do what he did makes no difference to me. There will be plenty of fallout that will benefit many others. His extended lifespan is most likely going to be helpful to lots of people.

I also think that if his number was up, God would have already called him home. He’s still living for a reason.


38 posted on 01/20/2011 6:59:32 AM PST by Marty
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To: Daffynition

Saleton claims to be a “liberal Republican.” Do you need to know anything else?


39 posted on 01/20/2011 6:59:34 AM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: ozark hilljilly

“Only if you’re smart enough to ask, apparently. My husband died waiting for a liver. We had no idea that there were multiple lists one could be on.”

So sorry about your husband.


40 posted on 01/20/2011 7:22:15 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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