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Prince Madoc and the Discovery of America
BBC ^ | 11 Oct 2010 | Phil Carradice

Posted on 01/06/2011 9:51:05 PM PST by Palter

Who discovered America? It's a simple question and one that usually brings the standard response - Christopher Columbus. But here in Wales we have our own theory. And that theory says that America was actually discovered 300 years before Columbus sailed "the ocean blue" in 1492 - and more importantly, that it was discovered by a Welshman.

Welsh coracle.

Mandan Indians used Bull Boats for transport and fishing that are identical to the Welsh coracle.

The man in question was Prince Madoc, the son of Owain Gwynedd, one of the greatest and most important rulers in the country, and while the legend cannot be corroborated there are many who believe it implicitly. Owain Gwynedd certainly existed, his reign being marred by long and hard-fought disputes with Henry II, king of England.

The story goes that in 1170 Owain died and, almost immediately, a violent and very bloody dispute arose between his 13 children regarding the succession. Madoc and his brother Rhirid were so upset and angered by events that they decided they wanted no further part in what was happening. Indeed, they wanted nothing more to do with their family or their homeland. They duly took ship from Rhos on Sea (Llandrillo) and sailed westwards to see what they could find.

What Prince Madoc found, so the legend runs, was America. He and his brother managed to cross the Atlantic and land on the shores of the New World. Madoc returned to Gwynedd for more men, then sailed off again, this time never to return. His sailors inter-married with a local Native American tribe and for years the rumour of Welsh speaking Native American tribes was widely believed.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ancientnavigation; atlantic; caradocofllancarfan; delaware; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; indiana; kentucky; madoc; madocmorfran; newworld; princemadoc; richardhakluyt; tennessee; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 01/06/2011 9:51:11 PM PST by Palter
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To: SunkenCiv

Old, but I can’t refuse a Madoc thread post.


2 posted on 01/06/2011 9:51:40 PM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Palter

Actually, most kids learn that it was Leif Garrett, child Tiger Beat heartthrob and now actor on those “World’s Dumbest” shows, who discovered America.

I am pretty sure no one thinks Chris Colon did it...


3 posted on 01/06/2011 9:54:29 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Nothing sharpens the mind like not being able to get a job. /Nonstatist)
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To: Palter

Thanks. If there was an “ice age” there would have been larger land masses and traveling between the continents might not have been as difficult as we think.


4 posted on 01/06/2011 9:54:52 PM PST by Ladycalif ("If you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Jesus)
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To: Palter

“His sailors inter-married with a local Native American tribe..”

This is why most American Indians can sing like Tom Jones and Englebert or that wee Sheena Easton.


5 posted on 01/06/2011 9:58:15 PM PST by Frantzie (Slaves do not have freedom only the illusion of freedom & their cable TV to drool at)
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To: shibumi; 50mm

Barry Fell/America B.C. ping


6 posted on 01/06/2011 9:59:04 PM PST by Salamander (A man will walk right into Hell with his eyes wide open but even the Devil can't fool a dog.)
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To: Ladycalif
Exclusive: Traces of Red Panda Found in Tennessee

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7 posted on 01/06/2011 10:01:55 PM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Palter

Mandan Bull Boats and Lodges


8 posted on 01/06/2011 10:20:28 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: Palter

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think if you sail westward from Wales, you end up in Ireland...


9 posted on 01/06/2011 10:54:52 PM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

Sure, if your sober.


10 posted on 01/06/2011 11:07:21 PM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: Palter
The Legend of Prince Madoc and the White Indians
11 posted on 01/06/2011 11:08:50 PM PST by Bratch
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To: stormer; Palter
if you sail westward from Wales, you end up in Ireland...

Not if the Welshman has a brain in his head...and wants to keep it there.

Paddle faster, Daffyd; paddle as if yer life depends upon it, because mine sure does!

12 posted on 01/06/2011 11:45:12 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: Frantzie
This is why most American Indians can sing like Tom Jones and Englebert or that wee Sheena Easton.

Lol... but did you know that Sheena Easton is a Scot, and Englebert Humperdink is an "Anglo-Indian", but of EAST Indian descent ?

13 posted on 01/07/2011 12:41:22 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Palter

And the Indians greeted the Prince with the famous line, “Aaah, what’s up, Madoc?”


14 posted on 01/07/2011 12:49:43 AM PST by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality."--Ayn Rand)
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To: Roy Tucker

Oof! You’ve just earned one scalping! LOL!


15 posted on 01/07/2011 12:54:44 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Palter

Just goes to show that finding is not as important as keeping.


16 posted on 01/07/2011 12:57:59 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: muawiyah

Do the melungeons ever claim heritage from the Welsh?


17 posted on 01/07/2011 2:00:50 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Frantzie

heh heh! Tom Jones! It’s not impossible to .... :-P


18 posted on 01/07/2011 2:30:24 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: happygrl

well, yes, Englebert Humperdinck is half-Indian, half-English (I hate the term “Indian” for native Americans!), just like Cliff Richards


19 posted on 01/07/2011 2:32:43 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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To: Roy Tucker

you are so correct! I wonder how Looney Tunes managed to capture that rare moment? :-P


20 posted on 01/07/2011 2:33:27 AM PST by Cronos (Kto jestem? Nie wiem! Ale moj Bog wie!)
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