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The Great Koran Controversy: Will Muslim Martyrs Get 72 Raisins Instead of Virgins
dailygalaxy ^

Posted on 11/21/2010 3:32:32 PM PST by JoeProBono

According to an Islam tradition, Muslim martyrs will go to paradise and marry 72 black-eyed virgins. But some Koran scholars point to a less sexy paradise. While beautifully written, Islamic texts are often obscure. The Arabic language was born as a written language with the Koran, and growing evidence suggests that many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic.

Specifically, the Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get “hur,” and the word was taken by early commentators to mean “virgins,” hence those 72 concubines. But in Aramaic, hur actually meant “white” and was commonly used to specifically mean “white grapes.”

The exact number of virgins (or raisins) is not specified in Koran, but the number 72 comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser-known Hadith. ("Hadith" is an Arabic word meaning traditions.) After Muhammad's death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were collected to form the Hadith, which is the second most authoritative document is Islam, after the Koran.

The philologist "Christoph Luxenburg", (who always uses a pseudonym for security reasons) notes that grapes would actually make more sense, because the text compares them to crystal and pearls, and because contemporary accounts have paradise abounding with fruit, especially white grapes....

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion
KEYWORDS: 72raisins; 72virgins; 72whiteraisins; arabic; aramaic; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; koran; middleages; syriac
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1 posted on 11/21/2010 3:32:36 PM PST by JoeProBono
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72 raisins or 72 Helens. They should go with the raisins.


2 posted on 11/21/2010 3:35:19 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: JoeProBono

...with a big smile on my face, I wonder just how disapointed some terrorists are that thier friend and countrymen are getting fresh with dried fruit.

yeah...I’m still smiling!


3 posted on 11/21/2010 3:36:49 PM PST by b cool
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To: JoeProBono

So Helen Thomas either way?


4 posted on 11/21/2010 3:37:12 PM PST by mnehring
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To: JoeProBono

Are they soaked in gin?


5 posted on 11/21/2010 3:38:59 PM PST by Larry Lucido (http://libertyprunejuiceflipnjokersweezlezip.blogspot.com/)
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6 posted on 11/21/2010 3:41:04 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: JoeProBono

They ran out of virgins.


7 posted on 11/21/2010 3:41:20 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: JoeProBono
The coran was written by Jewish Scribes that were taken prisoner and turned into slaves by the Muslims. Some say there are hidden messages like the Bible codes in the koran.
8 posted on 11/21/2010 3:41:46 PM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: JoeProBono
many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic Aromatic? So that is why it stinks?
9 posted on 11/21/2010 3:44:04 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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“Actually, the 72 virgins are here in heaven because assholes like you murdered them before they could experience the pleasure of sex. So you’re here to service them. Since they’re virgins, they’re quite sexually ravenous; and, frankly, you’ll be on constant, exhausting duty.” The bomber responded, “Well, I guess I can live with that. How hard can it be to keep 72 women satisfied for all eternity?” And Allah replied, “Who said they were women?”


10 posted on 11/21/2010 3:47:49 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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Those “dum” moslems, the only reason they want virgins is so no comparison can be made with real men.


11 posted on 11/21/2010 3:49:03 PM PST by Rannug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-qH02g4DLI)
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To: JoeProBono

Maybe they are vir-gin soaked raisins.


12 posted on 11/21/2010 3:49:53 PM PST by Larry Lucido (http://libertyprunejuiceflipnjokersweezlezip.blogspot.com/)
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To: JoeProBono

If they get a Hellen Thomas, they get both a dried fruit and a nut.


13 posted on 11/21/2010 3:55:07 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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Maybe we should start sending boxes of raisins to Mosques.

Bury them in raisins.

14 posted on 11/21/2010 3:55:33 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The people who hate Sarah Palin hate her because they know that her Presidency is inevitable.)
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To: JoeProBono

Exactly right ~ white grapes, aka Sultana, aka Thompson Seedless.


15 posted on 11/21/2010 3:56:45 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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What about the rest of the food pyramid?


16 posted on 11/21/2010 3:57:13 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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What will female martyrs get?


17 posted on 11/21/2010 3:57:35 PM PST by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: b cool

Does this give a whole new meaning to “sour grapes”?


18 posted on 11/21/2010 3:58:28 PM PST by fightinJAG (Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
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To: mountainlion
More likely Mohammad and his disciples simply dug up a buried Torah or two ~ probably of a group into a slightly different Jewish tradition.

No reason at all to catch Jews and make slaves of them back then.

19 posted on 11/21/2010 3:58:28 PM PST by muawiyah (GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
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Female Martyrs Train With Al- Aqsa Martyrs Brigade


20 posted on 11/21/2010 4:02:15 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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