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The Great Koran Controversy: Will Muslim Martyrs Get 72 Raisins Instead of Virgins
dailygalaxy ^
Posted on 11/21/2010 3:32:32 PM PST by JoeProBono
According to an Islam tradition, Muslim martyrs will go to paradise and marry 72 black-eyed virgins. But some Koran scholars point to a less sexy paradise. While beautifully written, Islamic texts are often obscure. The Arabic language was born as a written language with the Koran, and growing evidence suggests that many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic.
Specifically, the Koran says martyrs going to heaven will get hur, and the word was taken by early commentators to mean virgins, hence those 72 concubines. But in Aramaic, hur actually meant white and was commonly used to specifically mean white grapes.
The exact number of virgins (or raisins) is not specified in Koran, but the number 72 comes from a quotation of Muhammad recorded in one of the lesser-known Hadith. ("Hadith" is an Arabic word meaning traditions.) After Muhammad's death, several collections of his deeds and sayings were collected to form the Hadith, which is the second most authoritative document is Islam, after the Koran.
The philologist "Christoph Luxenburg", (who always uses a pseudonym for security reasons) notes that grapes would actually make more sense, because the text compares them to crystal and pearls, and because contemporary accounts have paradise abounding with fruit, especially white grapes....
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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Religion
KEYWORDS: 72raisins; 72virgins; 72whiteraisins; arabic; aramaic; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; koran; middleages; syriac
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To: JoeProBono
72 raisins or 72 Helens. They should go with the raisins.
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:35:19 PM PST
by
bgill
(K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
To: JoeProBono
...with a big smile on my face, I wonder just how disapointed some terrorists are that thier friend and countrymen are getting fresh with dried fruit.
yeah...I’m still smiling!
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:36:49 PM PST
by
b cool
To: JoeProBono
So Helen Thomas either way?
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:37:12 PM PST
by
mnehring
To: JoeProBono
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:38:59 PM PST
by
Larry Lucido
(http://libertyprunejuiceflipnjokersweezlezip.blogspot.com/)
To: Larry Lucido
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:41:04 PM PST
by
JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
To: JoeProBono
To: JoeProBono
The coran was written by Jewish Scribes that were taken prisoner and turned into slaves by the Muslims. Some say there are hidden messages like the Bible codes in the koran.
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:41:46 PM PST
by
mountainlion
(concerned conservative.)
To: JoeProBono
many of the words were Syriac or Aramaic Aromatic? So that is why it stinks?
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:44:04 PM PST
by
Red_Devil 232
(VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
To: Berlin_Freeper

Actually, the 72 virgins are here in heaven because assholes like you murdered them before they could experience the pleasure of sex. So youre here to service them. Since theyre virgins, theyre quite sexually ravenous; and, frankly, youll be on constant, exhausting duty. The bomber responded, Well, I guess I can live with that. How hard can it be to keep 72 women satisfied for all eternity? And Allah replied, Who said they were women?
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:47:49 PM PST
by
JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
To: JoeProBono
Those “dum” moslems, the only reason they want virgins is so no comparison can be made with real men.
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:49:03 PM PST
by
Rannug
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-qH02g4DLI)
To: JoeProBono
Maybe they are vir-gin soaked raisins.
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:49:53 PM PST
by
Larry Lucido
(http://libertyprunejuiceflipnjokersweezlezip.blogspot.com/)
To: JoeProBono
If they get a Hellen Thomas, they get both a dried fruit and a nut.
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:55:07 PM PST
by
dragonblustar
("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
To: JoeProBono
Maybe we should start sending boxes of raisins to Mosques.
Bury them in raisins.
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:55:33 PM PST
by
E. Pluribus Unum
(The people who hate Sarah Palin hate her because they know that her Presidency is inevitable.)
To: JoeProBono
Exactly right ~ white grapes, aka Sultana, aka Thompson Seedless.
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:56:45 PM PST
by
muawiyah
(GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
To: JoeProBono
What about the rest of the food pyramid?
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:57:13 PM PST
by
Tijeras_Slim
(Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
To: JoeProBono
What will female martyrs get?
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:57:35 PM PST
by
fightinJAG
(Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
To: b cool
Does this give a whole new meaning to “sour grapes”?
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:58:28 PM PST
by
fightinJAG
(Step away from the toilet. Let the housing market flush.)
To: mountainlion
More likely Mohammad and his disciples simply dug up a buried Torah or two ~ probably of a group into a slightly different Jewish tradition.
No reason at all to catch Jews and make slaves of them back then.
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posted on
11/21/2010 3:58:28 PM PST
by
muawiyah
(GIT OUT THE WAY ~ REPUBLICANS COMIN' THROUGH)
To: fightinJAG

Female Martyrs Train With Al- Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
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posted on
11/21/2010 4:02:15 PM PST
by
JoeProBono
(A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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