Posted on 11/14/2010 7:28:07 PM PST by BereanBrain
Ok, so the government wants to "search" everybody, very intrusively (backscatter Xray, "feeling up" pat downs), INSTEAD of searching the PROFILE of the sort of people who are the terrorists.
So, if you are looking for example for fish, why would you search on the land? It would be unreasonable....Yes, fish can be found out of water, but most of them are swimming in water as we speak......So it would NOT be reasonable to put as much emphasis on looking on land as you do water.
So THIS is the DEFINITION of UNREASONABLE search - it's not reasonable to search the people who have not caused the problem.
THerefore, PC based searches are BY DEFINITION, in VIOLATION of the BILL of RIGHTS!!!!
Now, which lawyer has the *guts* to take this on?
X-rays are wrong.
Orly Taitz is ideally-suited to make this argument.
Do they look under Muslim Female Head dress? Do they feel their Crotch? Just wondering.
no they are only allowed to check from the neck up.
No — it violates no law.
Airlines are 100% private enterprises and subject to administration by the government.
There is no “rights issue” here, except for the usual “my RIGHTS are being violated” chattering class who don’t know what a “Right” is.
OTOH, the TSA may be extra-Constitutional and having different screening methods for different people may (do) IMHO) violate most Equal Rights laws.
Additionally, X-Raying constantly at the Government insistence is an example of a specific avoidable harm that may have significant legal repercussions.
I am a frequent flyer.
I often see granny’s in wheelchairs and small kids get the 3rd degree, while GROUPS of people in muslim garb are not even give a passing look.
If you *really* want to see why, take a look a pictures of Dulles airport.....Do you recognize that architectural style?
Such things can be concocted on board out of the guy's cellphone.
I'd agree it's an UNREASONABLE SEARCH ~ but profiling is a REASONABLE SEARCH since there's evidence it works.
Frankly, none of that bothers the Napolitano gal ~ she's happy enough knowing people are getting groped,
sorry, not dulles, Ronald Reagan airport
The govt is doing the searching. It is a rights issue.
Whether the airlines are private or public, they are not involved. The government took over the job of providing them with security.
Doesn't mean the airlines couldn't supplement the government's efforts ~ which they do ~ but to get the government to do profiling is going to take some big changes in the laws in this country. Congress should no doubt begin that immediately.
What if the “reason” for searching EVERY car going down the road for clandestine Liquor is that over 1,000 people die from drunk driving every year.
Obviously it’s NOT reasonsable to stop every car.
Just because it’s flying and you may *feel* patriotic, is no reason to not defend our rights against unreasonable search.
WE lost a lot o rights when “fighting” the drug trade, let’s not loose the rest of them fighting the terrorists.
Let’s kick their ass so hard THEY are afraid to get on a plane and sneeze.
That;s the only way to be safe.
Same as in the old days when they wanted to hijack airlines — when they started shooting them they quit.
Bingo, you are correct. This has nothing to do with the airlines, it is all about the government denying you access to a publicly funded facility (the airport).
I will tolerate a magnatometer and/or the puffer, but NEVER Xray and sexual assualt on my person in the name of “security”.
Fully 75% of the people with access to the aircraft never go through these enhanced searches. No one on the line, no bag-smashers, no fuelers, no catering,no gate agents, no poop suckers, and surely no mechanics.
and I was chatting with a CLEARED PERSON who works in a terminal (foodservice) at DFW.
I asked where she was from (due to heavy accent).
She said she was from SYRIA and had been here all of 3 WEEKS!
And they wonder how to improve security! HA!
Caused the problem? No, people are being routinely subjected to searches before any crime occurs. Not because of any specific crime or even a specific threat, but precisely because there is no specific threat.
America could do with a little less mamby-pamby paranoia.
Flying on commercial airlines is still the safest way to travel, even in the Middle East.
Those who will give up a little freedom for security will have neither - Ben Franklin
You - Unreasonable searches - no big deal.
>>What if the “reason” for searching EVERY car going down the road for clandestine Liquor is that over 1,000 people die from drunk driving every year.
Obviously it’s NOT reasonsable to stop every car.<<
You clearly have never come from San Diego to Los Angeles. They stop EVERY Car.
And have you never heard of a DUI Checkpoint. They stop EVERY Car.
The only reason they don’t stop in your theoretical case is because it is too much hassle.
>>Just because it’s flying and you may *feel* patriotic, is no reason to not defend our rights against unreasonable search.<<
No, I just don’t want people to conflate this with a Constitutional argument. It isn’t. The 4th Amendment protects you in your house, your car, even on the street. But when you volunteer to waive it to board a private conveyance, it is on you. You need only choose another conveyance.
>>WE lost a lot o rights when “fighting” the drug trade, let’s not loose the rest of them fighting the terrorists.
Let’s kick their ass so hard THEY are afraid to get on a plane and sneeze.<<
That;s the only way to be safe.
Same as in the old days when they wanted to hijack airlines — when they started shooting them they quit.<<
I wish I wish I wish. After 9/11 for many years, the first thing I did when sitting down (I always get upgraded to 1st given my constant flying) was choose “my posse” — who would do what if someone was stupid enough to attack the cabin.
Nut please don’t confuse stupid decisions by the previous and current administrations with “Rights” issues.
They just aren’t.
Obama needs to prepare us for his marxist state.
Buying an airline ticket has no effect on my God given right to unreasonable searches. There is not an even improbable cause to search me.
The only reason it is done is to “not discriminate”.
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