Yer killin' me, Smalls!
I know you guys are just baiting me. Nice try. ;)
Posted on 11/10/2010 12:45:55 PM PST by Gargantua
Exploding the “That Wasn’t A Missile” Myth
By Gargantua
What appeared to be a missile rose from below the horizon, streaking into the sky off of California leaving a condensation trail identical to the kind that have been filmed being left by a ground-or-sea-to-air launch of a Minuteman missile or ICBM.
First, the Government was inexplicably mum on the topic. Next came a series of sometimes contradictory explanations. Now, days after the event, the finally agreed-upon explanation hits every news station all at once. “It’s the con-trail of a jet returning from across the Pacific.”
There are two glaring problems with this obviously false “explanation.”
First, the shape and density of the con-trail.
A missile launch would be more dense and wide at its base, just as we see in the images we’ve been shown. A jet’s con-trail would be thinner and smaller the further away as it trailed off toward the horizon. We see the opposite in the availale video footage.
Second, the lighting.
In the video footage, we see stratus clouds out over the ocean behind the rising missile. The setting sun is shining on, and illuminating, the bottom of those clouds. On the con-trail, however, the illumination from the sun appears on the right-hand-edge; just as it would if this were a launching missile’s vertically rising con-trail. There is no illumination of the underside of the “jet’s horizontally oriented con-trail” because it is not a jet’s con-trail, it is a vertically-oriented missile’s launch contrail with the sun lighting up the side away from us. Very obviously so.
The Government must think we are at least as stupid as they are if they think this lame explanation is going to “fly.”
;-\
Yer killin' me, Smalls!
I know you guys are just baiting me. Nice try. ;)
>>That car is traveling uphill and the contrail goes behind a relatively close tall mountain. <<
Excellent point. So, what do you think of the picture above it in the same post? And the ancient article...
Looks like there’s been a bunch o’ them eeevil missile launches right under our noses, for quite a while. It’s about time they got exposed!
You know what they say about payback. :)
Yeah...especially when you aren't a guy living on a farm in Kentucky...your wife is a flight attendant and you like to look at airplanes....because only then can you claim be an international expert in rocketry....hahahahaha!
To be blunt, this thread reminds me of this thread:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2493406
It took a long time, but I learned to stop beating my head against the wall with some people. And the thread above is where I learned that lesson. You will notice it took me a while.
And I still like to snipe there every couple months.
I don’t take a strong stand on this stuff until I am pretty darned sure.
>>Yeah...especially when you aren’t a guy living on a farm in Kentucky...your wife is a flight attendant and you like to look at airplanes....because only then can you claim be an international expert in rocketry....hahahahaha!<<
Let’s see how this plays out. ;)
Good plan...:oP
Go with your strengths I always say.
I don’t take a strong stand on this stuff until I am pretty darned sure.
I only stand behind things I believe I know and I am always open and curious about alternative views. That's why I have tried to keep the personal rejoinders to a minimum.
No Smoking Hot Spot (The Australian)
Those two articles take Greenhouse Theory at face value and by the criterion set up in the theory itself finds no evidence of warming on the basis of greenhouse effect.
The Hidden Flaw in Greenhouse Theory
Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics
Harvard astrophysicist dismisses AGW theory, challenges peers to 'take back climate science'
It Is Impossible For A 100 ppm Increase In Atmospheric CO2 Concentration To Cause Global Warming
Those four articles each show that Greenhouse Theory has no basis in reality due to a direct conflict with the known laws of physics. No wonder the smoking gun "hotspot" can't be found.
Claim That Sea Level Is Rising Is a Total Fraud
That article pretty much puts the kibosh on any serious trend of planetary warming from any cause. Think about it. If there is absolutely no sign at all of rising sea levels how could the planet be warming? Beyond the centuries long slow warming of the earth and rising of the seas of course. But that is only a few millimeters per century due to the inter-glacial period we are in.
You have nothing but an optical illusion and plenty of kookfest paranoia. Its a contrail, plenty of pictures of similar contrails, US808 in the area, two days in a row with the same looking contrails, etc.
Yes, I’ve seen rocket launches, seen one stage directly w of me from Oceanside CA from a VAFB launch. Also have many years in the airline industry.
You have nothing. Its a 757-200, HNL-PHX.
HAHAHA! Try posting that on the site I linked to. You’ll get your ass handed to you via various forms of “ad-hominem” “ad-populum” and various other logical fallacy attacks.
FWIW, below is one of my lists. I think I even finally posted it there thinking it would shut them up. Not even close. Because of the way I stored it (a gmail draft with hyperlinks) some of them lose their hyperlink.
‘Blue Dress’ Update: Media Sat on ClimateGate Info
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2392941/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2392924/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2392915/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2392908/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2392968/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2392981/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2392001/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393005/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2393411/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393379/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393485/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393468/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393603/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393615/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393644/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393670/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393675/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393848/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2393891/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2394040/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2394038/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2394026/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2394006/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2393987/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2393970/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2393966/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395122/posts
New zealand
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2395120/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395112/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395227/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2395258/posts
Unique title:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395954/posts
Flat earth society gw
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395940/posts
Worst scientific scandal of our generation.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395938/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395906/posts
Past concerns about reliability of scientific community:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2397685/posts
Nice scientist rundown
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showpost.php?p=37687551&postcount=190
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showpost.php?p=37681280&postcount=175
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showpost.php?p=37681322&postcount=176
Really exposes the computer code stuff:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2397837/posts
gREAT RUNDOWN WITH LINKS
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100018556/climategate-its-all-unravelling-now/
The Decline they hid
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2398684/posts
Scientist circle jerk
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2398834/posts
mORE PEER REVIEW
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2399073/posts
Earth counters co2
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2399087/posts
Now NASA is in this?!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2399513/posts
Copenhagen, we have a problem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2400351/posts
1700 scientists sign “petition” supporting AGW
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2404633/posts?page=4
Homogenization of temperature series: Part I
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2403761/posts
Smoking Guns Abound in Climategate Scandal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2404724/posts
Look at the polar ice caps
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2405207/posts
Why they fell for the global warming hoax
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2406165/posts
Climategate: One Must Ignore 200 Years of Observations to Believe in AGW
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2406178/posts
Lord Monckton adresses a Greenpeace-campaigner on global warming
http://dittosrush.blogspot.com/2009/12/lord-monckton-adresses-greenpeace.html
Hitler Youth in Denmark – again - why this thing must be stopped.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2406589/posts
Climategate: the video everyone should see
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2406604/posts
CLIMATE CHANGE IS NATURAL: 100 REASONS WHY
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/146138
Climategate: Faster and Faster, the Dominos Fall
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2409800/posts
Global warming and the ‘settled science’ baloney
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2411011/posts
Finally, the great climate change lie begins to unravel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2411415/posts
God in Charge of Climate
http://www.magic-city-news.com/J_Grant_Swank_61/God_in_Charge_of_Climate_Obama_No_World_Messiah12745.shtml
Obama does it again
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2411579/posts
The Hockey stick vs Ice Core Data
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbUVBYIPlI&feature=player_embedded
UN IPCC Head Not Qualified for Post; Has Huge Conflict of Interest Issue
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2412358/posts
ClimateGate: 30 years in the making
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/12/climategate-30-years-in-the-making/#comments
Surface station data
http://www.surfacestations.org/
Global Warming “Premeditated Fraud”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2424592/posts
How Climategate killed ‘peer review’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2427444/posts
Climategate Chapter 2—More Nails in Coffin of Global Warming
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2428339/posts
Son of Climategate! Scientist says feds manipulated data
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2429870/posts
Climategate goes American: NOAA, GISS and the mystery of the vanishing weather stations
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2429917/posts
Four segments utterly debunking
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/81583352.html
Global warming is dead. What’s the next eco-scare?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2434119/posts
EU Parliament Member Calls Global Warming a “Scam, Scam, Scam”; Calls Al Gore a “Crook” - Video
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2434120/posts
Surface Stations:
http://www.surfacestations.org
More Global Warming Scandals Implicate IPCC Climate Scientists
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2435060/posts
NEW Evidence: Climate Change Scientists Are Manipulating Data
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2436723/posts
http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Scientists+using+selective+temperature+data+skeptics/2468634/story.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=co2hog&utm_source=co2hog
Climate Change Authority Admits Mistake
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2436720/posts
Climate Flimflam Flaming Out
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2437170/posts
IPCC didn’t research Amazon climate change
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2437694/posts
Climategate Redux: IPCC Forced to Retract Alarming 2007 Warming Report ( IPCC Chairman - Pachauri)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2437678/posts
Amplification of Global Warming by Carbon-Cycle Feedback Significantly Less Than Thought
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2439446/posts
Climategate: NOAA and NASA Complicit in Data Manipulation
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2440126/posts
The Hottest Hoax in the World....(The climate change fraud unprecedented in its deceit)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2441790/posts
Forests Are Growing Faster, Ecologists Discover; Climate Change Appears to Be Driving Acc’d Growth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2443478/posts
Mark Steyn: Change of Climate
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2443524/posts
‘ClimateGate’ Inquiry Determines Investigation Warranted in One of Four ‘Possible Allegations’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2443566/posts
Is The UN Climate Chief Starting to “Lose It?” Blames Mysterious Conspiracy For HIS Mistakes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2443617/posts
Climategate Chapter 10—No Apology from IPCC on False Information
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2443628/posts
India to ‘pull out of IPCC’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2444277/posts
Error in Dutch polder data undermines trust in IPCC (more climate deception)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2444245/posts
A Blizzard of Climate Scandals
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2444406/posts
Hacking into the mind of the CRU climate change hacker ( how did climategate happen?)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2445089/posts
New errors in IPCC climate change report
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7177230/New-errors-in-IPCC-climate-change-report.html
The IPCC’s Latest Climate Change Blunder “To Boldly Go Where No Stupidity Has Gone Before.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2446504/posts
So many ‘gates’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2447088/posts
Climategate: The SEC Takes On … Climate Change
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2447586/posts
Bishop Hill: Gonzo science and the Hockey Stick ( Prof Mann and the Hockeystick )
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2447650/posts
(Arizona) Calling It Quits
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452576/posts
Three Major Firms Pull Out of Climate Change Alliance [ConocoPhillips, BP America and Caterpillar]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2452778/posts
Root Causes of the Global Warming Hoax and Highjacking of Science
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2453295/posts
The winter of global warming
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2454108/posts
Big Business Jumps Ship from the S.S. Climate Change
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2454293/posts
Global Warming? LOL! Revelations of slipshod and sinister “global-warming science.”
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2454318/posts
New Paper in Science: Sea level 81,000 years ago was 1 meter higher while CO2 was lower
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2455706/posts
The Mythical Global Warming
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2455706/posts
OOPS Never-mind! Climate Scientists Withdraw IPCC-Related Article Claiming Sea is Rising
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2456333/posts
Climategate U-turn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2456763/posts
New Climate Agency Head Tried to Suppress Data, Critics Charge
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2456823/posts
Climate4you
http://www.climate4you.com/
CEI, Science Groups Petition EPA to Reconsider Increasingly Dubious Global Warming “Endangerment” Finding
(http://cei.org/news-release/2010/02/...s-global-warmi)
US Reps from Mo. to propose blocking EPA gas rules
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100202/...nergy_missouri
Senior Democrats floating bill to block EPA on plans for greenhouse gas rules
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677...climate-change
World’s biggest coal company brings U.S. government to court in climate fraud
http://www.climategate.com/worlds-bi...-climate-fraud
Barbour Lobbies Fellow Governors to Oppose EPA Regulations
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/02...epa-61154.html
Texas, Utah, Virginia Sue over Fraudulent Global Warming
http://www.resistnet.com/group/watch...ginia-sue-over
Va. AG: Leaked e-mails basis for EPA challenge
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=600&sid=1890032
UPDATE 1-Texas to challenge US greenhouse gas rules
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1661844120100216
Climate scientists withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...etract-siddall
The Logical Fallacies of Anthropogenic Global Warming
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2458806/posts
Some straight talk about what “Climate Scientists” need to do
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/25/judith-i-love-ya-but-youre-way-wrong/
U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2459890/posts
Unsettled Science
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2461107/posts
Climategate hits Westminster: MPs spring a surprise (’Don’t panic, carry on’ isn’t working)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2462446/posts
Phil Jones called out by Swedes on data availability issue ( Relates to Jones stmt at UK Hearing )
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2465619/posts
CONSENSUS EXPOSED, PART 1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464444/posts
EPW POLICY BEAT: CONSENSUS EXPOSED, PART 2 ( Global Warming Consensus that is )
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2463372/posts
CONSENSUS EXPOSED, PART 3: ‘HIDE THE DECLINE’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2464461/posts
Climategate: Knowledge, Belief, and Global Warming
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2471252/posts
Climate change, happening before your eyes (Arctic sea ice returns to normal levels)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2484701/posts
Thomas Jefferson on Global Warming (He wrote of warming from Little Ice Age)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2488183/posts
NOAA: Global Temps Push Last Month to Hottest March on Record
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2494492/posts?page=1
750 Peer reviewed deniers
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
Left-wing Env. Scientist Bails Out Of Global Warming Movement:— a ‘corrupt social phenomenon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2559232/posts
Official: Satellite Failure Means Decade of Global Warming Data Doubtful
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2572436/posts
Declining solar activity linked to recent warming
Is the Western Climate Establishment Corrupt? Part I
Famous Physicist Resigns from American Physical Society to Protest Global Warming
Quote of the Week – Judith Curry asks warmists: “How are Things Going for You Lately”?
How many stars does Colin Powell have?
He said Obama was an outstanding presidential choice.
Quit deferring to authority.
It was an airplane creating an optical illusion.
When the big, visible, amazing tech shows up, you'll know it.
The difference in the contrails is one reason my certainty that it’s a solid rocket motor has increased. It’s obvious.
Where is the ionized gas cloud?
A launch at sunset would put a nice glowing ionized gas cloud up there for at least 45 minutes.
Where are the reports from N and S? There aren’t any, because to the people N and S, the contrail just looks like any other contrail, its not viewed head on.
Same here. It is why I said you I think you are just pullin’ my chain or are an idiot, but it is probably the former.
However, if it is the latter, it is in the spirit of the title of Glenn Beck’s book, “Arguing with Idiots”. And if you have read the book you will know that he admits that he, himself, was an “idiot” on one particular subject. I mean the same thing when I say “idiot” as he did in that book.
Great read, btw.
And FWIW, at first I thought this was a missile.
Would you happen to have a humidity and temp, barometric refraction index for the area. I could buy it but it looks very similar to a launch.
You’ll get your ass handed to you via various forms of “ad-hominem” “ad-populum” and various other logical fallacy attacks.
I don't consider that to even be touched much less having my ass handed to me. Those type of responses are meaningless in regard to the subject matter. They only offer a bit of a psychological profile on the one who dishes them out.
Looks like a launch from head on, but its very slow moving and you only see a snippet of video. Weather condition was essentially the same the next day, and US808 did the same thing and was photographed looking just like it did the day before.
The reason I ask is that these parameters all together can create an illusion. What gets me is my 20 years watching never got so vertical. I’m not in the argument of what it looks like as much as the fact it took 24 hours for the FAA to come around.
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