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In my last post : Ann Coulter on WND: 'They're a bunch of fake Christians' , many people have said that A. Coulter was right when she stated :

Coulter also repeated her claim that Barack Obama's failure to prove his constitutional eligibility for office, raised by WND and of concern, according to recent polls, by at least 58 percent of the American people, are nothing more than a big joke.

"He's pushing the birther thing," she said of Farah. "No one who is conservative believes in it either, someone who wants to get hits for his website may promote it."

About the debate between Farah and Ann, I would say like Gene Eric : "It’s great this pathetic exchange is taking place just a few months before a critical election. This would be a good time for both of them to STFU".

But in the Birth Certificate issue, Ann is definitely wrong and this editorial piece published last year at FOX News suggests the complete opposite of what Ann is trying to tell us.

You don't have to be a Fruitcake (as many stated in the last post) to say that Obama is hiding something. No need of conspiration here or whatever you call it. I don't believe in conspirations anyway.

As De Seno said : "We aren't talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here."

Can anyone explain (to us) why it is smarter for Obama to spend tens of thousands of dollars and man-hours defending the suits when he can win the lawsuit for free by showing the original documents ?

All this issue about BC reminds me what Woodstein (Woodward & Bernstein) said about the Watergate in "All the President's Men" (Page 7):

"A federal grand jury investigation had already announced, but even so it was Simon's opinion that there still were too many unknown factors bout the break-in to make it the lead story. "It could be crazy Cubans", he said.

Indeed, the thought that the break-in might somehow be the work of the Republicans seemed implausible. On June 17, 1972, less than a month before the Democratic Convention, the President stood ahead of all announced Democratic candidates in the polls by no less than 19 points. Richard Nixon's vision of an emerging Republican majority that would dominate the last quarter of the century, much as the Democrats had dominated two previous generations, appeared possible. The Democratic Party was in desarray as a brutal primary season approached its end. Senator George McGovern of South Dakota, considered to be Nixon's weakest opponent, was emerging as the clear favorite to win the Democrat's nomination for President".

And yes, for many people the fact that Obama is not eligible seems implausible too. And in the same way, for The Watergate Scandal, Kissinger, Spiro Agnew or Gerald Ford (the highest rank of the Gov) were not implicated in the Nixon lies. No conspiration here.

So, if in the next future (the sooner the better), we will find out what's going wrong in his records (don't forget the tape sealed by the LA Times as well), it will not the Democratic Party's fault (although, we can blame them for not checking his records). It will only the Obama's fault.

Besides, (Isn't it strange ?) all these Conspirationists people who are obsessed by a 9/11/ Satanic Jewish conspiracy and crazy stuffs like that don't believe for one second in the Birth Certificate issue.

1 posted on 08/22/2010 6:12:54 PM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

What if he refuses to produce a long form US COLB for all to examine, because he does not have one and has never had one because his idiot mother never got one? What if Hussein doesn’t even know for sure the day or year of his birth, or the place either? No wonder he’s so angry at the world!

Seems like if he had one, he’d just show it. Of course unless the one he may possess has very damaging details on it, and not just a foreign birth either, might be something else.

He’ll serve his fake term as fake prez.
It hurts many of us like hell to go through it, but he’ll serve the term.
I live for the day his many lies are exposed and I hope he serves time in the federal pen for his crimes.


2 posted on 08/22/2010 6:22:26 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty ( I am woman, hear me roar. NOVEMBER! FREEDOM!)
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To: RobinMasters

I got on board the birther train early on but have never believed the man would be removed from office because of it. I’m of the mind that we need to get, strengthen, and enforce the laws requiring verification in the states.

It wouldn’t take but a couple of states that wouldn’t allow someone on the ballot to take them out of the race.

To me, Obama is only a symptom of a flaw in our system. Even if we got rid of him, the flaw would still exist. (Think Chet Aurthur)


3 posted on 08/22/2010 6:26:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: RobinMasters

He’s hiding a lot more than just his birth certificate.

What he’s hiding may not be what we think he’s hiding. But that he’s hiding something is not in doubt.

Others are worried about the BC. I want to know what citizenship he claimed in college. And what passport he traveled on when he went to Pakistan. But he’s got that information embargoed too.

Oh, and the guy who died after getting into the passport files? Isn’t anyone curious about that? Anyone?


4 posted on 08/22/2010 6:27:00 PM PDT by marron
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To: RobinMasters

“Conspirationists”?

That’s just strangling the language.


5 posted on 08/22/2010 6:27:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RobinMasters

Conspirationist people who are obsessed by a 9/11 Satanic Jewish Conspiracy and crazy stuffs like that don’t believe for one second in the Birth Certificate Issue.

Because these people are simply obsessed with just the 9/11 terror attacks, and finding some Ultimate Evil. Conspiracy Theories borderline on religion for the people who believe in them, and they pursue what is far out (9/11 truth) versus what can be easily proven by a show of a document (Birth Certificate). You can sort of say they have faith in their conspiracy theories. Disturbing but true.


6 posted on 08/22/2010 6:27:54 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: RobinMasters

Look, at the end of the day, as my many British friends say, Obama’s birth place, his religion mean zilch, zero, nothing!!! What means something is that POTRUS Obama is doing his utmost to destroy America with the help of the Democrat Party. He and his hateful, biased, elitist wife, Michelle hate and detest America and “ALL” Americans!!! You good folks out there in voting land better cut out the banter back and forth and....get your butts out to the voting booth on November 2, 2010. What to do? Vote to destroy every single Democrat running for any office. Why? To completely destroy the Democrat Party!!! And....soon after that happens, work to topple POTUS Barack Hussein Obama from office, either by forcing his resignation, impeachment or political defeat at the voting booth!!! Stop the bickering over the small stuff and concentrate on saving our country from these Democrat America haters!!! “REMEMBER NOVEMBER!!!”


7 posted on 08/22/2010 6:31:18 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: RobinMasters
Coulter also repeated her claim that Barack Obama's failure to prove his constitutional eligibility for office, raised by WND and of concern, according to recent polls, by at least 58 percent of the American people, are nothing more than a big joke.

I can only believe that Ann Coulter is speaking from a position of extreme ignorance here. She'd be surprised to learn how many people who own her books, also believe that Obama is ineligible to hold the office of president.

Only someone who is totally out of touch with the heartbeat of conservative opinion would say what she did. And, by engaging in a hissy fit in public with Joseph Farrah, she has proven it. She clearly believes that his is some off-beat, fringe website that hardly anyone reads.

I'm afraid that she's blown her credibility with Tea Party conservatives over this.

9 posted on 08/22/2010 6:34:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: RobinMasters

This article is over a year old...why bring it back?


10 posted on 08/22/2010 6:34:21 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: RobinMasters

How much money has he spent hiding this ?


11 posted on 08/22/2010 6:34:45 PM PDT by Charlespg
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To: RobinMasters
I have a basic problem with the birth certificate situation. If one lives in a state which requires birth certificates for a driver license, and then gets pulled over by a police officer, that officer does not generally have a right to demand a birth certificate. He is not able to say he doesn't think the DMV did their job and so you have to prove it to him. The license is already a legal proof that your birth certificate was provided when asked for.

In our system a person is required to be a natural born citizen in order to hold the office of president, and I think such should be ensured. However, just as the police officer generally has to accept the license as proof that the birth certificate was already seen and accepted, the electorate has to accept that, once sworn in, the relevant bona fides were seen and accepted by whatever authority is responsible. It may have been screwed up for all I know, but I am afraid none of us, including unfortunately people in the military, have any standing to argue that we need to see proof of birth from President Obama.

Our chance for demanding more was during the election, and thanks to a lack of any press, we missed that. And it was worse things, IMHO, than the birth certificate. Why was nobody demanding that the man who was actively campaigning as the "smart" guy provide a record of his grades and work in university? I couldn't get a job in the White House right now if I refused to release my school information, and yet he is able to be the President without anyone ever seeing anything he did in university. That a candidate for the highest office in the land was able to simply refuse to allow anyone at all to see anything he did in school, and never faced a single objection or question from anyone in the press bothers me more than anything.

It was incumbent on the media to ask tough questions of the candidates, and to demand, on the behalf of the voters, an accounting of the past records relevant to a candidates ability to carry out the duties of his office. How a candidate performed in school, and what he wrote while there, is absolutely relevant to an election and we were denied that, as well as any evidence of citizenship. What we need more than anything is a real press.

12 posted on 08/22/2010 6:38:09 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: RobinMasters

He may be responsible for it, but he’s also loving it. Birthers are seen as crackpots to 90% of the population (don’t confuse the # of birthers with the number of people who aren’t sure where he’s born).

Birthers only help his standing with the American people in general.


20 posted on 08/22/2010 7:01:42 PM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: All
Obama can end the "birthers" controversy in one single day by releasing the original documents

All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫

39 posted on 08/22/2010 7:51:02 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: RobinMasters; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
Conspirationist

If you call me that again, I'll sue.

40 posted on 08/22/2010 7:54:29 PM PDT by Libloather (Teapublican, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: RobinMasters

I think each and every state should require proof of natural born citizenship independently of each other before they allow the man on their ballots.

They say trust but variety, well where is the verification? Are we to expect that the same Federal government that theses folk run is going to be honest in telling us about the legality of their own actions?

Call be paranoid but I’d very much like some level of impartiality. It’s only decent.


43 posted on 08/22/2010 7:57:20 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: RobinMasters

RE: “As De Seno said : “We aren’t talking about a 12-year-old qualifying to play Little League here.””

It’s amazing the that the MSM thought it was important to investigate Danny Almonte’s birth certificate a few years back, but couldn’t care less about the Obama situation. I think they know but but don’t want to ruin careers over it, so they have to maintain deniability.


45 posted on 08/22/2010 8:14:58 PM PDT by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: RobinMasters

The point is - regardless of the issue that conspiracy theorists and others latch on too - it is pretty much always rooted in something suspicious.

That being said - I don’t consider the “birthers” to be conspiracy theorists - thought they are treated as such.

What I don’t understand - name one president that has not released their REAL birth certificate (since such was available)?

Obama posted what was clearly and easily proven to be a fake on his campaign web site (isn’t that fraud and forgery of government documents - both crimes, by the way). He keeps his attack dogs going after the “birthers” who are simply trying to get answers.

IF Obama and the left want to shut up the birther movement completely - then just release the REAL Birth Certificate. That’s all it takes. If Obama is a real US Citizen from birth (natural born), then what in the world would he lose by releasing the truth?

Which brings us right back to the core - there is a reason he is blocking said release - and it has everything to do with his REAL background.

The problems he is hiding COULD be that he really is constitutional ineligible to be POTUS.

But it could be something as simple as it would reveal that Obama Sr. was not his daddy.

Or maybe that it specifically lists the faith as Muslim?

Or maybe .....?????

But again - if there is no fire here, then why so much smoke (and mirrors)?


51 posted on 08/22/2010 8:41:35 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: LucyT

Well-reasoned article here.


58 posted on 08/22/2010 9:38:19 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("I can't possibly get into trouble letting my monkey carry grenades." --Gen. Karl Tagon)
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To: RobinMasters
I find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself a natural-born citizen.

The quotation is from the 1866 address to the House of Representatives by Congressman John Bingam, principal author of the 14th Amendment, judge, abolitionist, as well as the adjutant general who prosecuted Lincoln's assassins..

Ignore the propagandists, the journolistas, the trolls. Obama’s father, and Obama the son, had allegiance to England, by law. Obama confirmed that on his web site. He also counted on ignorance in the public of this obscure provision in our Constitution, and cleverly cornered the Republicans by helping McCain, both to get nominated, and then through Senate Actions which perport to make him eligible - "S.2768 110th Congress" To clarify the law and ensure that children born to United States citizens while serving overseas in the military are eligible to become President." and S.Res 511 in which Patrick Leahy states “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen.” What do you think all this was about - two Senate judiary actions about McCain in two months during an election year? McCain always was, and remains ineligible, or Obama election committee members, McCaskill, wouldn't have had any reason to try to pass a law.

Hidden documents are all intended distraction. Read our founders and framers, and read Patrick Leahy and Clair McCaskill, whose fake bills and resolutions were co-sponsored by Obama, Clinton, Webb, and others (fake because they know only an emendment can modify the Consitution). Obama was their ShamWow guy. He has real talent as a con man. They found a way to obscure his Constitutional ineligibility in a fashion remarkably similar to Chester Arthur, who hid and then burned his private documents before he died.

62 posted on 08/22/2010 10:04:20 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: RobinMasters
If he really wants the Birthers to shut up,

What makes you think he wants them to shut up? I suspect it's quite the opposite.

he has the power to do it by releasing the original documents.

LOL. The idiot who wrote this article really is naive. To anyone who thinks releasing any document at all will shut the birthers up, I can get them a really nice deal on a bridge in New York city.

79 posted on 08/23/2010 9:12:11 AM PDT by curiosity
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