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Loss of Liberties

Posted on 08/17/2010 12:56:33 PM PDT by WildSnail

Many people don't understand what's been happening to the country in the last hundred years. You tell them we are losing our liberty. They say that the U.S. is the freest nation on earth. They say that we haven't lost any liberties, or very few. But between federal state and local, we've lost quite a lot!

Is anybody interested in coming up with a list? I'll start with a few off the top of my head:

Add more to the list!


TOPICS: History; Society
KEYWORDS: liberty
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1 posted on 08/17/2010 12:56:35 PM PDT by WildSnail
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To: WildSnail

Can’t build on your property if a rain filled depression is deemed a wetland.


2 posted on 08/17/2010 1:03:34 PM PDT by Jacquerie (All Muslims are suspect.)
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To: WildSnail

The problem is that if I do not feel or see such losses of freedom, if my life is no different from one year to the next, then what am I losing?

You say my ancestors had more freedoms? Good for them, I didn’t live in their time.

How can I miss that which I never had?

The above is the argument that I have gotten more often than not and frankly it makes a sort of melancholy sense.

I can see their point of view. I grew up rural, hunting and fishing. I still hunt and fish. About the only freedom that I have lost is the freedom to drive down the road without a seat belt on and not get hassled by the cops.


3 posted on 08/17/2010 1:05:06 PM PDT by Grunthor (My coffee creamer is fat free because I am not.)
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To: WildSnail
Go to a lake.

It will be fenced and close at dark. If you don't get out you and your vehicle will be locked inside, and you WILL be fined and arrested for trespass.

No Swimming
No wake
No alcoholic beverages
No fishing (without a license)
No firearms
No parking, pretty much everywhere
No, No, No! Everything is forbidden, otherwise, do what you like!
Must wear life jackets (I do anyway, but don't MAKE me do it).

Lakes used to be just lakes.

4 posted on 08/17/2010 1:05:43 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Grunthor
You are not being harassed by cops. You are being protected. You should thank them and compliment them on the fantastic job they are doing: Sarcasm toggle “ON”

I know, it's not the cops fault it's your idiotic meddling neighbors who have not met a restrictive code they wouldn't support.

5 posted on 08/17/2010 1:08:42 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: WildSnail

It’s more than that, though. I see a loss of freedom emanating just from observing the popular mindset that the “government will take care of me”, and “it’s ok if the government gets to decide how much health care I receive”,; as well as the lack of outrage by the populous about the takeover of banks and the automotive industry. People don’t even realize they are no longer in charge of themselves anymore.

We’ve lost so much freedom.


6 posted on 08/17/2010 1:10:43 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: WildSnail

Can’t carry a Bible to a public school. 1st Amendment violation.

Folks in Fairfax Co., VA charged with disturbing the peace while openly (and legally) carrying a firearm. - 2nd Amendment violation.

Roe v. Wade - 10th Amendment violation.

It’s a really big list.

Was speaking with a liberal friend of mine who wants to do away with the Constitution explaining it’s outdated.

I asked him if he’d ever read the Constitution. He said no.

Scary times we live in.


7 posted on 08/17/2010 1:10:47 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last.....it might be.)
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Can't improve or repair many things in our own houses without permission/approval

Case in point, I just had to have a water heater replaced. No new wiring, no special work on the plumbing, it was in the garage so very easy to get to, just replacing- it required a special permit from the city ($50.00) and inspection after it was done ($75). It took the plumber a whole 15 minutes to replace and I probably spent 2 hours on the phone and at the city office getting the permit and the approval inspection....and this is in a fairly Conservative, East Texas town.

8 posted on 08/17/2010 1:10:58 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: WildSnail

You cannot express a political viewpoint without reprisal anymore. The reprisal can include civil suit, loss of job, attack against your person or property, visit from law enforcement.

Also forfeiture laws - confiscation of property without due process and compensation. Drug war for example.


9 posted on 08/17/2010 1:11:07 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Grunthor

Loss is a poor choice of words. Perhaps restricted would be better.


10 posted on 08/17/2010 1:13:32 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: WildSnail

Can’t pray in school.
Can’t call someone a “retard” or a “fag” without risking suspension.
Can’t pray at a city council meeting or sporting event.
Can’t shoot the rabbits in your yard that are eating your rhododendrons.
Can’t buy high-octane unleaded gas for your 440 Roadrunner.
Can’t sell lemonade on a busy streetcorner.
Can’t buy a Thompson submachine gun through mail order.
Can’t go out to the lake and throw in a line without asking the Gestapo’s permission.
Can’t ride your motorcycle without a helmet.
Can’t burn your trash or your lawn waste.
Can’t plink cans off fence posts in your back yard.
Can’t sell your homegrown sweet corn at the end of your driveway.
Can’t take a crap, a trip overseas, or a wife without asking Uncle Buttinsky first.


11 posted on 08/17/2010 1:32:44 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Reddy

“the popular mindset that the “government will take care of me”

And they are outraged when the govt. doesn’t. Latest idiotic expectation: the road race where 8-12 were killed. They were mad that the car hit people and mad that there were no barriers. On an off road race! And the idiots were standing within 15 feet or less of the vehicles! But it’s not their fault, it’s the fault of the govt. and of course the driver(s) who no doubt will be sued. I just feel like giving up when I see such stupidity.


12 posted on 08/17/2010 2:02:56 PM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: mnehring

Why didn’t you just buy the heater and install it?


13 posted on 08/17/2010 2:30:46 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: DariusBane

Expecting to be “protected” is the ultimate welfare dependency.


14 posted on 08/17/2010 2:33:26 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

In hindsight I should have. It was one of those things I thought it would just be easier and worth paying someone to come out and take care of it.. but add in the big brother factor and it became a PITA.


15 posted on 08/17/2010 2:34:50 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: DariusBane
No firearms

I live in AZ. We don't believe in that crap...like Daylight Savings Time. I carry anywhere I please, concealed, no permit.

16 posted on 08/17/2010 2:39:17 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Build a man a fire; he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire; he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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“Expecting to be “protected” is the ultimate welfare dependency.”

Yes Sir!

I was sitting at a traffic red, at a “T” intersection to an industrial park. It was red, red, red. No cars coming any direction. This was at 6:30ish p.m. Probably had been no traffic since 4:30. So I sat. Long light, seemed like 2-3 min. But, I recognized that I was not smart enough to just go. I was en-capable of making a decision in my best interest without being crushed. So I sat and waited for the green. Waited a long time. After all, a cruiser was sitting in the industrial park, motor running. He was looking out for me. Making sure that I didn't injure myself.

Thanks Mr. Policeman. I'm sure glad you were there to help me make the right decision.

17 posted on 08/17/2010 3:04:11 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Your Az firarms thing is the only thing I like about AZ. But I like it alot!


18 posted on 08/17/2010 3:05:19 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: DariusBane

Every dependency government can create gives them more power.


19 posted on 08/17/2010 3:53:29 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: mnehring
We bought a new house a little while ago. It didn't have a water softener, and the water here is really hard. I couldn't believe it when I read they wanted permits and inspection. Did it myself and thumbed my nose at big brother.
20 posted on 08/17/2010 9:57:08 PM PDT by WildSnail (The USA now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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