Still, I prefer the Saiga 12 for home defense.
Posted on 08/11/2010 5:10:45 AM PDT by marktwain
Capt. John Raguso keeps threatening to send us a review of Kel Tec’s smokin’ SUB-2000 9mm carbine. Today, Hi-Point Carbines drops the news that their long awaited .45 ACP rifle is ready to rock and roll. These handgun-caliber carbine may be gaining favor over the venerable 12-gauge as the weapon of choice for hom defense. And for good reason. In fact, here are four. . .
1. Less recoil than a shotgun
While home defense shotguns put an awful lot of lead downrange with a single trigger squeeze, shooters pay the price with a big ole’ wallop to their shoulder. That’s no big thing for big people who’re comfortable with firearms (who may, in fact, like the kick). And in the heat of battle, who cares? But if a gun is formidable to fire (i.e. painful), its owners are FAR less likely to practice. If they don’t, they will not be confident and accurate.
Even in .45 ACP, handgun-caliber carbines have minimal recoil, relatively speaking. The lower recoil makes the rifles far more attractive to women, teens and (let’s be honest here) small-framed men. They can also put a lot of lead downrange. BONUS! Quick mag changes are easier than reloading a shotgun.
2. Quieter than a shotgun
The state prohibitions against silencers really piss me off. (Somebody was watching way too many spy movies.) Meanwhile, shotguns are ridiculously, enormously loud. While a handgun caliber carbine will make plenty of noise, a shooter stands a chance of being able to hear something after firing—which could save their life. Comparing the two firearms genres, handgun caliber rifles will definitely reduce a shooter’s chances of permanent, perhaps even catastrophic hearing loss.
3. Better than a handgun
So’s a shotgun. But again, there are plenty of people who find shotguns intimidating. In that sense, handgun caliber carbines hit the sweet spot. Thanks to the carbines longer sight radius, they’re easier to aim than a handgun, And more intimidating (i.e. visible)
Handgun caliber carbines increase bullet speed and, thus, penetration. Hi-Point says their .45 ACP’s longer barrel increases velocity figures between 80-200 FPS (feet per second) over a like-chambered handgun.
4. Less expensive
To my way of thinking, a semi-automatic weapon is the best home defense shotgun. A good one costs the thick end of a grand. This Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine costs $330. The SUB-2000 goes for $409.
I love shotguns. But the handgun caliber carbines may be better for more people. The market will speak.
Specifications for Hi-Point .45 ACP Carbine:
Price: $330 MSRP Finish: Special high-durability black powder coat Stock: Black molded polymer-(with standard upper and lower Picatinny rails). Barrel length: 171/2-inches Overall length: 33-inches Weight: 71/2-pounds. Magazine capacity: 9-rounds. Sight: Adjustable front post and adjustable rear (ghost ring) Warranty: Lifetime on parts and labor that follows the gun. Manufacturer: Hi-Point of Mansfield Ohio-every part is made in the U.S.A. Factory affordable options are available: Folding grip, laser, scope sight, etc.
Ive been leery of taurus autos, but since youve shot so many rounds from yours it’ll probably be just fine.
I have a 9mm and a .45 in Taurus autos. The 9mm had a feed problem with the factory mags, which I solved with a small file and careful removal of material from the top of the mag. The .45 has been superb right out of the plastic hardcase, with both factory mags.
Actually, I have three Taurus pistols. I also have a Beretta lookalike which is a joy to shoot but the grip is large/fatter than the 24/7 9mm. Aftermarket mags have to be ‘tuned’ for the Beretta knockoff, but I have altered Beretta 30 rnd mags to work just fine in the knockoff.
My buddy has the compact 10 shot taurus 45 auto..that I cant seem to remember the model number of. Im thinking of trading him out of it for a woods carry gun.
Probably the 24/7. I prefer the OSS DS .45 because of the mag capacity and the feel in my hand when shooting it. I even throw a few hollow points down range each visit, so I remember the feel ... it is slightly different from ball ammo shots.
Just put 80 rounds through it today (today was family range day).
(Nobody will give you a hard time about putting a recoil pad on a Mosin. They kick like a friggin’ mule.)
Rifle, sling, bayonet, ammo pouches = $79 on sale at Dunhams.
It ain't pretty. But I don't care. All of my weapons are for shooting. A lot.
But my late-night 'oh crap, what was that' weapon is the bedside companion, a .40 S&W Taurus OSS with decocker, single or double action. Holds fifteen and one up the spout. The decocker allows a chambered round in a hammerless pistol so there is not even the clicking of the hammer going back or the thumb safety disengaging on a 1911. Eats hollow points or flat nose without a hitch.
The Taurus OSS DS in .45 ACP is also very good for reliability and effective wound infliction. It also comes with a decocker and you can get it with night sights. There is also a rail for a laser, should you want one for off hand shooting.
Anyone have a line on a glock 19 to .22 lr conversion with a higher capacity than 10 rds?
The feral yutes are running in packs and herds. Need more ammo to stack a row of flesh up to slow down the survivors for careful targeting.
Still, I prefer the Saiga 12 for home defense.
Oh my, I’m so envious!
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Oh nooooo, if you’re allowing the fed to withhold that much, you’re being used! My next acquisition if some sort of .45 ACP carbine. I may go with the Hi-Point, if the mags will function in their JHP .45 ACP hand boulder. ... I settled my concealed carry issues long ago, so everyhting is about HD for me, and mine where they live.
The only .45 carbines I know of are the Hi Point, the Marlin .45 camp carbine (out of production)
And the Shansei .45 C96 Mauser with shoulder stock/holster.(also out of production but very cool)
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/usc_general.asp
Awesomely awesome!
and expensive...about a grand.
For that price I got the 9mm Sterling carbine with 6 sterling mags and a WWII mag pouch.
The 7.62x25 Sterling and 3 modified Sten mags.
I added leather HK G3 slings because I had a few laying around and they worked perfectly.
Yep...for just over a $1,200.00 I picked up two Ruger P89s with 15 rd capacity and a PC9 carbine that uses the same mags.
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