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Kyron Horman's Stepmother Allegedly Tried to Hire Hit Man, Report Says
ABC news, GMA ^ | July 4, 2010 | CLAYTON SANDELL, KRISTIN FRASER and DEAN SCHABNER

Posted on 07/05/2010 4:26:23 AM PDT by sodpoodle

One month after the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, police reportedly said a landscaper told them the Oregon boy's stepmother tried to hire him to kill her husband, Kaine Horman.

After a month with no trace of Kyron the family still hopes for his safe return.The allegation, first reported in The Oregonian but confirmed by ABC News affiliate KATU-TV in Portland through a source close to the investigation, thickens the cloud of suspicion surrounding Terri Horman, the last person to see Kyron before he went missing on June 4

The landscaper allegedly told police that Terri Horman approached him about killing her husband six or seven months before Kyron disappeared, the sources said.

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To: hennie pennie
We hear that April has now moved up to Dexter, OREGON

Terri lists Dexter on her FB as a fav tv show. Just grasping as straws.

641 posted on 08/11/2010 6:15:52 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: bgill
O.M.G.

Just look at what you posted simultaneous to my own posting wondering if the cops themselves are implicated???

This is beyond spooky, it is downright scary, and something I associate with the SOUTHERN border area and not with the PNW.

642 posted on 08/11/2010 6:16:06 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle
Some children have been rescued, and Faye Yaeger has been sued many many many times -- but I don't think that they were actually "released" -- as from what I've read, the kids themselves WANT to go underground and far away from the abusive parent.There's even archived news stories about Yager and the COTU in Time Magazine, but I'd never heard of it until a month ago.

She's been on ALL the afternoon talk shows of the past couple decades, so the public IS aware of her, even though there are plenty of us who weren't aware of her.

643 posted on 08/11/2010 6:19:38 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

What may eliminate TMH as a hands on killer - is the allegation she had to hire a hit man to kill a husband she hated....because she couldn’t do it herself!!

If Kyron is dead - I think something in TMH’s plan went horribly wrong. What would be stunnning is her not knowing what happened to Kyron after she handed him over to a third party.

Could she confess to some sort of vindictive hide & seek? Or has her lawyer warned her about child abandonment/endangerment?

That’s enough - I’m going nuts again;)


644 posted on 08/11/2010 6:24:27 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: bgill
>>>> "We hear that April has now moved up to Dexter, OREGON....

"Terri lists Dexter on her FB as a fav tv show. Just grasping as straws."

I firmly disagree.

The reason I do not think that you are grasping at straws is that IF Terri was really fascinating with the TV crime drama Dexter, then I presume she did some online searches at google.

And since she got her B.A. in elementary education at Northwest Christian University -- that's another place where she could have learned about the COTU, or even had personal firsthand contact with them.

HOW could a group of gal pals keep silent this long a time as to where Kyron is?

Well, I'd presume that IF he was sent into this protective parent underground railroad, that ALL of them could successfully keep mum about it.

And.... yikes.... even if they admit that they did.... it's waaaaaaay too late to locate Kyron, who's probably attending summer school as some science academy somewhere idyllic in a foreign country.....

Ya know?

645 posted on 08/11/2010 6:26:22 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle
LOL, I understand the "going nuts again" -- this is such an enigma -- and I hope that during our lifetime that the case is solved.

Doug Houze is a very high calibre defense attorney who was recommended to TMH by Gloria Alred who didn't want to take her on as a client.

He has told TMH to remain 100% silent, and she's following his advice.

Say, another reason I believe that the COTU *might* be involved is that simply DOZENS of law agencies have been involved in investigating Kyron's disappearance, and seriously, the COTU are sooooooo underground that the FBI has had massive problems with them ever since they came into existence, decades ago.

646 posted on 08/11/2010 6:32:21 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

If Kyron is with a COTU member - surely they must realize that Desiree and Tony Young deserve some resolution and custody of this child.

Is it possible that Desiree received an anonymous COTU heads-up that Kyron is safe? That might explain her *stashed* reference.


647 posted on 08/11/2010 6:36:23 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle; hennie pennie; MarMema; All

And *another* drug story in the Portland news today only this time it’s an out-of-stater so he got arrested. Guess he didn’t have the home team advantage.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100391654.html


648 posted on 08/11/2010 7:07:33 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/printthread.php?t=111400

I'd love to know what Steven Houze thinks of all these nasty comments about his client.

I mean, seriously, who are all these anonymous posters who believe it is moral & ethical to be making such negative potentially libelous comments about an Utter Stranger?

Did you notice that WS finally 'zapped' their thread with all the answers from alleged "verified" psych professionals?

WHAT truly professional psychiatrist or psychologist or even clinical social worker would post diagnostic remarks at on online chat board???????

I've wondered if perhaps Houze sent WS a 'cease & desist' about that particularly odious thread.

I was surprised to see that IS is very calm today and actually has some discussion about the oddities of this investigation.

649 posted on 08/11/2010 7:17:30 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle
Put yourself in the position of running a 'safehouse' for COTU...... and then, from that perspective, decide what you really feel & think about Kyron's safety when you see Tony give Kaine a big bear hug, or watch Desi & Kaine noticably eye oneanother to silently agree on how to answer questions at some of those "cozy" press conferences, where all the journalists HAD to have been VETTED by Kaine, agree to be "team players" and to NOT ever report on anything whatsoever, "off the record."

IF Kyron is alive, IF Kyron is "stashed" - well, at age 7, Kyron is more than old enough to tell his caregivers all about himself and his school and homelife.

In answer, YES, I actually believe that LEOs and the bio-parents KNOW that Kyron is alive...... somewhere. OR at the very least, they knew he was alive that first week, and expected to find him within days.

So...... screw the public, don't tell them anything!! AND....... don't allow the press in, UNLESS they will only report what you instruct them.

SERIOUSLY, sodpoodle, if there are adults who believe they are protecting Kyron from his family of origin ------- just what kind of impression are they receiving from these adults, who mention weeks later that he is allergic to bee stings, that he still has a faint trace of a "stork" birthmark on his forehead, and now.... 2 months later...... those people in the "protective parent" community are finally learning that Kyron might require prescription anticonvulsants for temporal lobe seizures.

Just..... wow...... do you think that COTU would be impressed with any of Kyron's old adults?????

650 posted on 08/11/2010 7:26:31 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle
p.s. It is of course, entirely possible that this was a stranger abduction and little Kyron is long dead.

But it is obvious, I think, that the LEOs didn't consider him dead in the beginning, whereas EVERY single other missing kids case typically is investigating all the registered sex offenders, begging the public, again & again & again to check their yards, their sheds, their gardens, etc.

I didn't even see a parent address words DIRECTLY TO KYRON until weeks after he disappeared.

THAT is so extraordinary to me, that..... sometimes I wish that I knew Nancy Grace personally and could find out what she really thinks about this case.

You see, I suspect that some of her contacts in LE asked her show to please put pressure on TMH ..... well, WHERE has that gotten them, huh???

Meantime, IF the COTU took him into their underground railroad, he could be ANYWHERE, and he's old enough that he'd help disguise himself so he would have to go back to Portland.

I'm not going to watch the press conference this afternoon, I worry about my blood pressure...... I can't even read threads on the crime chatboards, as they really infuriate me, it reminds of the really nasty awful online conviction of Patsy Ramsey....... it was soooo outrageous, it was sooo appalling, and they are still so in love with themselves that they don't realize that only very few similar deviants share their HIGH almighty opinions of themselves.

Just putrid...... and will eventually lead to legislation limiting online freedom of expression.... that's my prediction.

651 posted on 08/11/2010 7:36:53 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie
doh!!!!

GRAMMAR:::: old enuff to disguise himself so he isn't discovered anywhere and forced to return home, he may not want to go back to Portland......

652 posted on 08/11/2010 7:39:50 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie
I read that 10 of the Kyron billboards were in English, 10 in Spanish, and 10 in Russian. Ok, I've lost my mind. I could have sworn there was something you mentioned about Russia and maybe in relation to COTU but I looked through the thread and couldn't find anything. I understand there is a large Russian community there but really? Don't get me started on language and citizenship! But seriously, can they not recognize enough off the English signs to understand there's a missing child? I saw one of the Spanish ones and dumb me could figure it out. That's fine and all that there is a large population of Russians but does Portland make a point of putting up an equal number of other signs in Russian? I mean, does the highway department put up street signs in Russian? Does Fred Meyers have their advertised specials in Russian? Do the tv stations run Russian translations at the bottom of the LE press conferences? If not, then Russian Kyron signs are out of the ordinary and so what's the reason?
653 posted on 08/11/2010 7:44:59 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: hennie pennie

Good questions.

I suspect that COTU people (probably women) who become involved with hiding children from alleged or confirmed abusive parents probably think very differently from the rest of us. According to the articles (you kindly posted) they are very suspicious of LE and the media.

If Kyron is being held in such a *safe house* and, as you noted, talking about his experiences - then the truth shall set him free.

Perhaps Desiree is still getting untraceable calls from such a safe-house and trying to prove her bona fides as a parent as well as provide LE with enough clues to locate Kyron. What a cat & mouse game - if this is indeed what is going on. No wonder we can’t make sense of what we think we know.


654 posted on 08/11/2010 7:46:58 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter -God's redemption)
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To: bgill
Portland, Oregon has the second largest Russian immigrant population in the USA. There are over 100,000 Russian speaking immigrants in the Portland area ----- and plenty of them never listen to conventional english language news broadcasts.

It was very nice of clear channel to donate all of these massive billboards to KYRON.

655 posted on 08/11/2010 8:10:09 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: sodpoodle
Well......

My opinion on this is that the FBI desperately needs new profilers, because ..... IF the COTU THEORY is correct, then..... it seems to me that having Desiree & Kaine try to publically convince COTU that TMH is a pathological clinically psychopathic LIAR...... was likely an eggregious error...... since, apparently, the very reason for this organization is that so many parents were considered to be LIARS who falsely accused the other parent of sexual abuse.

It doesn't matter what WE think of Tony & Desi, because KYRON, himself, can tell his current caregivers/caretakers/substitute family all about his birthparents and his stepparents, he's old enough to discuss them, and smart enough a youngster to do so both lucidly and convincingly.

Some of the lawsuits against COTU mention that children were brainwashed into believing they'd been abused.

WHO knows?

Particularly distressful is that that Joan Pennington was on the cover of a Scientology magazine, and you know how rich & international the scientologists are.... and THAT might explain why HLN covers Kyron Horman all the time, but Greta is totally ignoring it.

I find that very suspicious.

656 posted on 08/11/2010 8:17:02 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: All
I never examined TMH's facebook pages, but I understand that before they went totally privately that there was LOTS of information about child abuse and organizations established to fight & prevent child abuse, LOTS of stuff about child advocacy.

Just doesn't sound like the normal extracuricular interests of a stepmom, or of a stepmom that "snaps", or of a psychopath or a "chronic liar."

Another thing that MAY be really messing up & muddying the waters is that there is really no way for any of us to tell whether ANYBODY from Oregon whom we EVER see on TV is utterly stoned out of their gourds, it MAY simply be their entirely "normal" mode of consciousness at this point.

For instance, I was surprised to see how young that Tanner's birth father was and how he obviously is part of the metal music scene, and who knows what all else.

657 posted on 08/11/2010 8:29:06 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: bgill

If I had to immigrate to Moscow or to Dubai, G-d FORBID, lol, sure I’d recognize a “missing child” billboard, but I’d pay a lot of attention to one in my own language, particularly since it would be an oddity in my new city.


658 posted on 08/11/2010 8:31:46 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: bgill
Something just occurred to me -- title of this thread, "tried to hire a hit man."

Since LE never told us the name of the landscaper, we have NO idea if it's an hispanic surname.

Wherever large numbers of Russian immigrants congregate, so too, follows the Red Mafia AKA Russian Mob.

Plenty of very skilled, exceptionally trained hitman potentially available, hey???

659 posted on 08/11/2010 8:36:20 AM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

Not making excuses for Dede, but I was watching the video on KOIN of the Starbucks employees. They were smiling and laughing as they were being filmed, yet I haven’t seen them being blasted for that like Dede’s smirk was. Many people are shy or self conscious around cameras and will make a face or giggle when one is shoved in their face.

The blonde gal said she had never seen Terri and was surprised LE was asking questions about her store. If that’s the case, then why would the GJ question the women for over 2 hours? It could be another blonde, but they look like the same person on my fuzzy video reception.


660 posted on 08/11/2010 10:03:03 AM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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