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1 posted on 06/07/2010 7:45:38 AM PDT by Willie Green
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The USA is not China.

We are individualists rather than collectivists and this especially applies to personal transportation.


2 posted on 06/07/2010 7:47:56 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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Pretty nifty for a country that still murders hundreds of thousands of its own people a year and has the poverty numbers it does.....the US left will and does worship the government style of China, despite every once in awhile throwing out the human rights violations card....Anita Dunn and other Moaist are tickled to death....


3 posted on 06/07/2010 7:48:50 AM PDT by cranked
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I wouldn’t want to travel 200+ mph in anything made in China.


4 posted on 06/07/2010 7:52:05 AM PDT by Husker24
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I would prefer a train system that actually takes me to where *I* want to go, in modest comfort, at a fair price, and doesn’t permit thuggish patrons and/or public urination/defecation on the facilities.

I don’t care if it’s the world’s fastest.

translation: I want the UK trains.


5 posted on 06/07/2010 7:53:40 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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good let the chicoms ride in cattle cars...

....I will fly or drive thank you very much.


6 posted on 06/07/2010 7:54:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Great, back to Coal Powered Trains.

Over 80% of China’s electrical power comes from coal.

http://iea.org/stats/electricitydata.asp?COUNTRY_CODE=CN


7 posted on 06/07/2010 7:56:31 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Coming soon -

China Unveils World's Fastest High Speed Train WRECK!

9 posted on 06/07/2010 7:58:08 AM PDT by airborne (Why is it we won't allow the Bible in school, but we will in prison? Think about it.)
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IIRC, most of the electricity generated in China is from coal fired plants. So where is the juice to power this high tech choo-choo train coming from? Are they going to string a bunch of windmills alongside the tracks?
I'm a little skeptical about this project being very "green".
10 posted on 06/07/2010 8:01:58 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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Since Green energy is a fraud, so is this boondoggle. Nobody wants this antiquated method of transportation other than environazis and corrupt pols.

Pray for America


14 posted on 06/07/2010 8:07:20 AM PDT by bray (No You Don't!)
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Hey, America will get a high speed train. Unfortunately, it will only be allowed to go 45 miles per hour so as not to hurt any endangered snails that may attempt to cross the tracks. (Gotta give the conductor time to stop!)


16 posted on 06/07/2010 8:11:14 AM PDT by anonsquared
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“China’s $1T USD high speed rail gambit leaps ahead”

Great. Let’s give Obama yet another idea for how to waste more trillions. If high-speed trains were economically viable, the private sector would offer them up. Do the Europeans, Japanese, Chinese or anyone else have trains that are self-supporting?

Amtrak subsidies cost $32 per passenger.
http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2010/05/of-cows-subsidies-and-amtrak.html Why do we think high-speed Amtrak would be any different?


17 posted on 06/07/2010 8:12:59 AM PDT by DrC
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Obama and China and the MSM like trains because they are easy to unionize and easy to use to control personal transportation.


19 posted on 06/07/2010 8:18:40 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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We don't need a high speed train system. Our entire country is seated in a rocket sled to hell.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

20 posted on 06/07/2010 8:18:52 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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Hey Willie,

I’ve asked you dozens of times and you refuse to answer, but I’ll try again:

Where do we get the trillions of dollars needed to build your train sets?

Come over the China, Willie, and you can ride these trains. I ride them, I live in China half the year. The differences are stark:

1. China doesn’t have a $1.6 trillion deficit, and $1 trillion annual deficits predicted for the next 20 years. They actually have the cash to do it.

2. The density of the corridors they are developing eclipse even the NE Corridor of AMTRAK. From Ningbo to Nanjing (Ningbo, Hangzhou, Shanghai, Suzhou, Wuxi, Nanjing - about 3 hours by fast train) you have close to 80 MILLION people in a 250 mile distance. Way beyond any density here in the US. That’s the same distance as New York City to Boston, but with 8 times the number of people.

3. The geography where these trains are going is radically different. All along the Yellow Sea it is predominantly flats with isolated - or very small groups of - short (under 1000 foot) hills. You don’t have the Allegheny Mountains, let alone the Rockies, the Sierra Nevadas, the Cascades, and on and on. COMPLETELY different geography.

4. 80% of the population in China can’t drive - no license, no car. Cars are expensive to buy (more expensive in absolute dollars than in the US), and the plates are big bucks (a Shanghai license plate runs about $8000). For a family making $12,000 per year (a decent middle-income cost) the cost of the license plate alone is unobtainable.

5. Gas is the same price in China as in the US, meaning for a person earning $1000 per month (a solid middle-class income) their fuel costs are about 8 times as high as here in the US. Paying 7.4 RMB per liter (what I paid in April) works out to $4.10 per gallon.

6. China is MASSIVELY expanding their air transportation as well. Dozens of new airports and thousands of new small (50-150 passenger) jets are coming in the next 10 years. Trains will be used for predominantly short (under 3 hour) high-density runs, planes for everything else.

You don’t know of what you speak, Willie. You have a pipe-dream and are caught in your tunnel vision, and you cannot admit that there is no way we have the money to build this, nor do we have the need to build this. We don’t have the cash or the people (potential ridership) to do so.

Assume $2 trillion invested, and assume 30 million new riders a year (1 out of every 5 adults in the US rides the train). Over the 50 year lifespan of those tracks, Willie, we are subsidizing - on just the raw cost, not including the time value of money or operational subsidies - $1300 PER YEAR per rider for those 50 years. $65,000 per rider, Willie, is that your idea of a good investment?

So come on Willie, tell us where the trillions of dollars come from. Tell us how it’s good to subsidize thousands of dollars per rider.


22 posted on 06/07/2010 8:24:04 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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American Money paid for the train,thanks to the Impeached Rapist and the MFN for china.


25 posted on 06/07/2010 8:27:39 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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It's a resource allocation result...since China murders so many of its female children via abortion (or outright murder), their economy can allocate economic resources to building bullet trains and not have to worry about producing feminine hygiene products.
26 posted on 06/07/2010 8:37:09 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (Stephen Hopkins: Founding Father who had Cerebral Palsy.."My hand trembles, my heart does not.")
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Who fricking cares? I don’t want to go to Shanghai or Beijing. This country can’t even run Amtrak. How are they going to run a high speed rail?


28 posted on 06/07/2010 8:38:49 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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China Railways. Our trains don’t just run faster than Amtrak’s. They derail faster than Amtrak’s.
35 posted on 06/07/2010 8:54:31 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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Somehow I think the U.S. has a lot more to worry about than whether China has a faster train than we do.


39 posted on 06/07/2010 9:00:06 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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why build ONE train when you can build millions of self driving cars?


44 posted on 06/07/2010 9:05:39 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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