Little Jihadi Girl at School [Vanity]

June 3, 2010 | Jewbacca

[Jewbacca]

Today at school (a nice private school), a little girl, aged 6, daughter of a well-to-do-pediatrician who happens to be a muslim from Jordan or thereabouts, walked up to my daughter (aged 6) and told her that she was going to "cut her dirty Jew throat" and shoved her down.

Out of the blue. Completely in seperate classrooms.

This was in the USA, btw.

No previous contact or problems that we know of.

Been fun at our house today.

School is involved.

They don't want me to call the cops, as this is the last week of school, and I wouldn't normally, but I assume this little b---ch learned this at home.

A Christian mother of a child at the school told my wife the muslim girl previously stated to her daughter there was "no such thing as Jesus" and "Easter was fake" and if she (the Christian's daughter) didn't stop talking about Jesus, she'd "slit her throat." (I obviously am Jewish, so we have theological differences here, but this was no less shocking.) I don't know what action was taken here, but am trying to find out.

I pissed off on multiple levels.

[Jewbacca]

“Your daughter should have gotten up and used her little jew fists to pound the *hit out of that bully.”

The teacher interceded immediately. No time.

She is in Taekwondo currently (no Krac Maga nearby), but it does little good when you’re attacked out of the blue in kindergarden. One just does not expect that.

And our family are not wimps — I am a 10+ year veteran of the IAF, over six feet and solid, concealed carry guy (as is my wife — the carry part, not the veteran or six ).

It is, however, a delecate balance teaching a small child to defend herself — and not be the nut kid who punches other kids because they called you “poopy” or something.

It’s really affected her. She’s had disagreements, but never attacked.

I mean, who is attacked in kindergarden? Apparently little Jewish girls.

[EDINVA]

I would be sure there’s a record at the police department and also at Child Protective Services. This child didn’t pick up her comments at school. It could have been home or at a muslim Sunday School

I’d get every Jew and Christian I know to avoid the girl’s dad’s pediatric practice. He and his services are needed more in Gaza, anyway. Let the family move there.

[eleni121]

jihadi junior’s father is a pediatrician! What exactly does he pracice on those children he sees? I would also report him to the authorities.

NO six year old talks this way unless sactioned and coached at home.

[sageb1]

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[Sender]

Definitely report this, both to the school and to the police. School administration weasels cringe at the thought of such publicity, and there is definitely something going on in that household. Six year old girls don’t come up with this stuff on their own.

[left that other site]

I agree. This MUST be reported and documented.

And Children’s Services should be alerted.

That Child is being abused, according to the LIBERALS’ OWN Criteria (being indoctrinated in a cult!).

[LibertyRocks]

Forget the damn school and what they want. You are the parent and have EVERY right to handle this in the manner you feel is necessary. They just want to cover their a**es and could give a crap less about the safety of your daughter, or any other child in that school...

PLEASE call the police — at the least Social Services will be involved. AND, the police can lean on the administrators and teacher in this school who are obviously more worried about the bad press than the truth.

It is CLEARLY a death threat, and that little *itch needs serious mental help.

And, if the cops refuse to do anything I’d be calling the local press.

Also, please inform ALL of your local synagogues of what has happened. They need to be aware of this ‘child’ and her ‘parents’, and what scum of the Earth they really are...

I’m praying for you, your family, and your daughter. May God bless and protect you all from harm, and may He give you peace and comfort. My heart breaks for your precious child. May she be filled with the peace only God can provide and may she never be led to question her value... If you think it appropriate, please tell her many of us are praying for her, and your family.

[LibertyRocks]

Well, I TRIED to post something on this thread...
I agree with all of those who have encouraged you to definitely call the police.
I am praying for your precious daughter, and your entire family.

[Gator113]

This is certainly outrageous and one can be sure that the little girl learned her behavior from her parents and family.

It’s prudent to report this.

I hate to be the one to tell you folks..... in most if not all states, 6 year olds can not commit a crime, period.

If this 6 year old killed and ate the neighbor guy, the 6 year old will not be seen as having culpability.

[raygun]

Apparently I’m the lone voice of dissent in this matter. Frankly, I believe that this is being blown way out of proportion. Kids say stupid things. When do they become mature enough whereby “I’m going to kill you” is a statement of no trifling import? I’ve had to stop adults from sayging that (for obvious reasons); what has been heard can not be unheard.

Suppose something - anything - happens to the other person: now I’m absolutely obligated to come foward with knowlege of a pre-existing threat. Moreover, we’ve all seen enough Hollywood to know that’s a perfect opportunity for some nepharious set-up; its just plain foolish to say something like that.

I wonder how much call there’d be for making police reports if instead of your child (a Jew), it was a black, asian, hispanic or person of Polish or Italian ethnicity who was the target? Where’s the common sense here? Kids say and to the darndesst things. There’s a time and place for police and CPS intervention; I doubt this was it.

These days if a first grade boy kisses one of the girls in his class, that’s sexual abuse? What are the ramifications to: “You’re parents are a couple of fags. Don’t come near me with your fag cooties or I’ll kill you.” Kids can say and do things, quite innocently, as they have no concept of the consequences. And thinking about how somebody else may feel about what they say or do isn’t natural (unless they’re naturally empathic).

That notwithstanding, you said the teacher immediately intervened. Without doubt the teacher immediately demanded an appology from the little cretin. Notwithstanding, she immediately should’ve been frog-marched to the principal’s office for a stern talking to.

The issue here is not so much what she said, or even did, but her vicious attitude against Jews and Christians in particular (not your daughter specifically). But regardless, her unprovoked blind-sided attack had to be addressed.

The school is accountable to maintaining a peaceable, non-threatening environment for all students (regardless of their ethnicity, race or religion). Depending on how repentant the other girl was, her recess priveleges could’ve been revoked for an appropriate amount of time. And that could’ve been the end of the matter. However, without any remorse expressed on her part, a call to her parent / gaurdian would be warranted.

Depending on the intial post-incident circumstances, sending a note home with the girl explaining the situation might’ve been sufficient. However, if the child is generally incorrigable in class, and in particular defiant to the authority figures present with respect to this particular situation, i.e., principle, teacher, playground monitor, then an immediate parent-teacher conference was called for. Its at that time, depending upon the parants response, that the child could be immediately suspended. Clearly the father’s response was no help in that matter.

If the parent refuses to address the issue appropriately, with at a minimum a verbal reprimant, and a demand that their daughter appologizes to your daughter, the school has no choice but to suspent the mniscreant. Depending on circumsances, e.g., an additional incident of physical violence could result in expulsion. That would probably be forthcoming in any regard, as I find it hard to believe there aren’t exigent discipline problems in her homeroom.

As far as the issue of martial arts training, first and foremost it should be fun for her, and secondarily disciplining the mind and body. The latter part being immensely important; physical fitness is extremely important to execute one’s martial arts skills without injury to one’s self. Moreover, advertisement of said training, i.e., bragging to one’s friends, is contrary to the whole philosophy of martial arts. It is a confidence builder (fear being a mind-killer), discipline for the mind and body and providing skills necessary for defence, and also being a force multiplier whereby a much larger & stronger adversary can be handled. Down the road rape would be a quite improbable event.

That being said, I hope you’re not pressing her into the taekwondo. The choice should be hers entirely. At that age her main interest would be coloring and playing with dollies I would imagine. No way should you force her to continue training when it ceases to be fun for her. You may have to offer encouragement from time to time if she expresses disinterest in continuing to take classes.

Nevertheless, you while she’s taking classes you definitely should ensure she maintains an excercise regimin - appropriate for her 6 year old age and skill level - between classes. I’m certain the instructore will assign the appropriate standard fare: pushups, sit-ups, toe touches, etc. Whatever is assigned, you make sure she follows through on. When I was taking ju-jitsu training in 4th grade, Dad watched me go through my excercises on a weekly basis, and he expected improvement in that regard too. That was the only pressure I was under - to do my excercises - while I was taking classes (not being forced to take classes themselves).

Long and short of it, I’m glad the situation appears to be resolved. I just hope your little girl didn’t see you bring the firearm with you when you took her to school. That’s the last message you want to impart with respect to conflict resolution. We do live in crazy times and being able to defend yourself against a potential fanatic probably is warranted.

In this multi-cultural, multi-ethnic tolerant society, the other girl is headed for a whole lotta trouble down the road (unless she spends the rest of her academic life in a madrassa).

[AmericanArchConservative]

An afterthought:

Arrange an on-videocamera interview of your daughter to be conducted with your family attorney present (and perhaps even conducting the interview) as a form of a video deposition.

Make sure that a wide array of questions from a wide variety of perspectives are asked, to leave no room for doubt that she neither said, nor did anything to provoke such venomous and threatening words or violence

This may protect your daughter in the long run and prevent her from being browbeaten by other people with distinctly unfriendly agendas, and intentions of making her out to be the instigator rather than the innocent subject of someone else’s malice (such shills will come out of the woodwork at the first hint of a confrontation like this, IMHO)

Prayers for strength, unity, and resilience for you and your whole family!

A.A.C.

[Jewbacca]

” just hope your little girl didn’t see you bring the firearm with you when you took her to school.”

She sees me put on my firearm every day, as sees her mother put on her firearm (she’s a doctor in hospital where rapes and worse have occurred).

Nothing usual, and a common sense precaution for all law-abiding persons.

[Jewbacca]

I’ve got one for everyone: how did little jihadi know my daughter was Jewish? She doesn’t wear a yellow star; no overt religious acts, unless one counts missing certain days.

They were not in the same class; jiahdi girl was unknown completely to my daugter.

It is apparent someone took the time to identify my daughter to her.

This, to me, is by far the most troublesome point.

But, school is over.

Off to tennis and swim and theatre camp, then Israel to see grandmother!

[raygun]

I’m relieved to hear that your action wasn’t a result of this incident. Your position in that regard is not only valid, but sound.

[raygun]

I was thinking about that. The first reaction was that she was extremely outspoken concerning her faith. This can be understandable if your family adhere to orthodox Judaism. Even the issue with respect to the anecdote you cited concerning the Christian child.

However, I got to thinking, how overt can any of these children be concerning their religion. They are 6 years old for crying out loud. At that age their actions are quintessentially that of innocence with respect to virtually everything. With regards to the Christian child, what concept do kindegartners have pertaining to Jesus, except possibly the Babe lying in the Manger. Certainly they’re not actively proselytizing the Gospel, and preaching fire and brimstone, etc. and thumping a Bible. Or, for that fact, your daughter would wrap herself in the Torah and proclaim Mosaic Law to anybody within earshot.

The only way that one’s religion can become an issue would be if the children in question are acting in a haughty, arrogant and condescending manner (as bigoted snobs). But I have a hard time grasping that 6 year olds can act in such fashion as to receive a backlash of such vehemence as you describe.

It is difficult to see how a child’s religion can become such an issue of contention until well after the age when belief in Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and other childhood fairy tales, etc. become the object of ridicule and scorn by children’s own peers.

I believe a very reasonable and plausible explanation is that the girl was incited to this behavior, either by her family at home, or perhaps older siblings in the same school (or perhaps neighbor of hers who attend the school).

[Reddy]

Good job following up on the threat to your daughter. I am so sorry that some people are evil.

The only other thing I might do is document everything that happened for future reference. Hopefully, this event is behind you forever.

God bless you and your family.

[Salem]

"...Off to tennis and swim and theatre camp, then Israel to see grandmother!"

As it should be in a six-year old's life.

Let me reiterate again how outrageous this particular situation of yours was, especially in the context of a more visible rising Islamist presence in American and the campaign against Israel in the wake of the Gaza blockade run.

Nevertheless, it reminds me of my daughter's early years and the many conversations we had about how sometimes it's difficult to have to stand alone, even in the face of the majority going; doing things the other way -- are even threats. My daughter faced a scenario like that in her sophomore year in high school and went a little wobbly, but she finally prevailed in mind and heart and her adversary was inevitably expelled (from the whole district!).

Pastors/Rabbis will counsel men that their daughter's views and relationship with G-d will be directly influenced by their relationship with their earthly fathers -- our compassion, patience, approachability, and grace modeling her view of Him.

Likewise, the solid comfort that if threatened by little street goblins and dishonorable men in any way, snarly-a**ed DAD will be there like a hurricane to bring down the pain.  

[Kickass Conservative]

I guarantee you that if your daughter called the girl a Raghead or some such thing and shoved her to the ground, the girl's Parents would turn it into a Federal Case.

IMHO, you should do whatever needs to be done to prevent something like this from happening again at that School.

I'm sure you're not surprised that most posters here feel the same way. It's very simple, as Conservatives it's in our nature to take care of our own problems rather than take on the Victim Mentality of Liberalism.

Unfortunately, that same attitude works to make us enablers of the Liberal anything goes excuse for anti social behavior.

[Jewbacca]

See 133 and 167

[Travis T. OJustice]

WOOHOO! I’m glad some action was apparently taken, and you even got an additional kudos from the teacher.

Yes, you are probably correct, that’s as much as you’ll get out of it.