Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Is Betelgeuse about to blow? (going supernova in weeks or just another breathless rumor?)
DiscoverMagazine ^ | 6/01/10 | Phil Plait

Posted on 06/01/2010 6:09:32 PM PDT by LibWhacker

I was going to wait to write about this, but I’m getting a lot of emails about it, so I’ll say something now, and followup when I get more information.

The story:

BABloggee Alereon (and many others) sent me to an interesting site: Life After the Oil Crash Forum — a forum that apparently has a lot of doomsday-type scuttlebutt posted to it.

An anonymous poster there says he has heard that the star Betelgeuse is about to go supernova, maybe as soon as a few weeks:

I was talking to my son last week (he works on Mauna Kea), and he mentioned some new observations (that will no doubt get published eventually) of “Beetlejuice”; it’s no longer round. This is a huge star, and when it goes, it will be at least as bright as that 1054 supernova…except that this one is 520 light years away, not 6,300 [...]

When it collapses, it will be at least as bright as the full moon, and maybe as bright as the sun. For six weeks. So the really lucky folks (for whom Betelgeuse is only visible at night) will get 24 hour days, everybody else will get at least some time with two suns in the sky. The extra hour of light from daylight savings time won’t burn the crops, but this might. Probably, all we’ll get is visible light (not gamma rays or X-rays), so it shouldn’t be an ELE. It’s sure gonna freak everyone out, though…..

Then it will form a black hole, but we’re too far away for that to matter.

The buzz is that this is weeks/months away, not the “any time in the next thousand years” that’s in all the books.

The basic takeaway:

OK, folks, first: when news like this comes from an unnamed source on some random forum, and that source is not even a primary one, and that secondary source quoted is also unnamed, and that person heard it from a third party that is also unnamed… well, oddly enough my skeptic alarm bell in my head rings loudly enough that my eardrums explode outward in every direction at the speed of light.

I hope I’m being clear here.

The first important thing to note here is that if Betelgeuse explodes, we’re in no danger at all. It’s too far away to hurt us. Got that? It’s the most important thing to remember here, because I’m quite sure this story will get wildly exaggerated as it gets repeated.

So, what’s the deal with Betelgeuse? What is it, will it explode, and if so, when?

The details:

Betelgeuse is one of the brightest stars in the sky. That’s because it’s an intrinsically luminous star, and one that’s relatively close by. By luminous, I mean something like 100,000 times that of the Sun, and by close I mean roughly 600 light years away if not more. That’s 6 quadrillion kilometers, or almost 4 quadrillion miles. In other words, quite a hike.

Betelgeuse is a red supergiant. It has a mass of something like 20 times the Sun’s, and is near the end of its life. When it dies, it will explode as a supernova, a titanic event that is among the most violent in the Universe. For details on how this happens, read this essay I wrote about it.

It’s hard to know just when a star will explode when you’re on the outside. Betelgeuse might go up tonight, or it might not be for 100,000 years. We’re just not sure.

Betelgeuse isn’t round, and it’s shrinking!

In the bulletin board post, he talks about the star not being round. It’s unclear, but it sounds like he’s referring to observations which show that there is a big plume coming from the surface of Betelgeuse. That was exciting news when it was released, but not hugely surprising; stars are active, and massive stars even more so. Also, note that those "new" observations are a year old!

That image above is from even earlier, and shows a Hubble observation of Betelgeuse taken in 2005. Note here that the star doesn’t look round, but that’s an illusion. The image shows a hot spot in Betelgeuse’s swollen atmosphere, and that makes it look like a bump is hanging of the side. In reality, that’s just because of the way the image is printed, and isn’t an actual physical bump. But the hot spot (probably due to a big ol’ bubble of hot gas rising near the surface) in itself shows that things on the star change all the time; just recently two such spots were found.

The post also talks about Betelgeuse shrinking. That claim is from observations made over the course of many years. Those data indicate the star is shrinking, but it’s unclear what they mean. While it may mean the star is in fact shrinking, starspots (sunspots on another star) may be fooling us, for example. Also, red supergiants aren’t like marbles, with a clean, sharp surface. They are balls of gas, extended and bloated, so there is no real surface. It’s therefore entirely possible the astronomers aren’t even really measuring the surface of the star at all, and it’s just the highly extended atmosphere that’s changing.

Surface tension, rotten to the core

The point I’m making is that a lot of stuff can happen on the surface of the star that has nothing to do with the core. Since it’s the core that generates the star’s energy and eventually causes it to explode, what’s happening on the surface is not an indication of any impending explosion.

Mind you, the surface and the core do "talk" to each other, though slowly. As the core changes, that information does leak to the surface, but it takes centuries. Until, that is, the core collapses. When that happens, the shock wave takes hours or days to get to the surface, and the star explodes. But that’s hardly a slow event taking decades! So any changes we see happening now probably have little to do with what’s happening hundreds of millions of kilometers deep in the star.

Also, it’s been known for a long time that Betelgeuse is a variable star; it’s light output changes. This shrinking may just be a part of that natural cycle, and again no indication of an explosion.

Having said all that, I’ll note that someday, Betelgeuse will explode. That’s for certain! But it’s also way too far away to hurt us. A supernova has to be no farther than about 25 light years away to be able to fry us with light or anything else, and Betelgeuse is 25 times that distance (which means it’s power to hurt us is weakened by over 600x). It’s the wrong kind of star to explode as a gamma-ray burst, so I’m not worried about that either.

At that distance, it’ll get bright, about as bright as the full Moon. That’s pretty bright! It’ll hurt your eyes to look at it, but that’s about it. The original post says it may get as bright as the Sun, but that’s totally wrong. It won’t even get 1/100,000th that bright. Still bright, but it’s not going to cook us. Even if it were going to explode soon. Which it almost certainly isn’t.

Conclusion:

So my personal opinion is that this is just another breathless rumor of astronomical doomsday that we get every couple of years. Even if any of the science of it is right, it doesn’t mean Betelgeuse is about to explode any day now. And since this is a rumor three times removed, I don’t put any stock in it. I’ll wait until I hear from named scientists with published or publishable data before I start to wonder if the star is about to blow.

And if and when it does explode, it can’t hurt us. Someday it will — maybe not for a hundred thousand years, but someday — and every astronomer on the planet hopes it happens in their lifetime! It will be a scientific bonanza unlike any ever seen.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; betelgeuse; catastrophism; gammaraybursts; science; stringtheory; supernova; xplanets
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-104 next last
To: EGPWS

I missed that one too...


21 posted on 06/01/2010 6:30:03 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php?area=dam&lang=eng)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Let ‘er rip!


22 posted on 06/01/2010 6:30:10 PM PDT by onedoug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker


23 posted on 06/01/2010 6:30:42 PM PDT by Hoodat (.For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

This is just one more problem inherited from the Bush administration.


24 posted on 06/01/2010 6:30:47 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (I've been ionized, but I'm okay now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: KevinDavis

/


25 posted on 06/01/2010 6:30:59 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (1.416785(71) x 10^32)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Oceander
I still have to say that it would be awe-inspiring if it actually blew within our lifetimes.

Respectfully request your permission to ping you to this post if it does blow? Just to give an understatement of the century award? ;)

/johnny

26 posted on 06/01/2010 6:31:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
Betelgeuse might go up tonight, or it might not be for 100,000 years.

I guess that's covering the bases. I'll go out on a limb myself and will predict a devastating hurricane on the East Coast with a direct hit on Savannah, GA. If not this summer, than anytime over the next 1,000 years.

So if you live in the Savannah area, better get busy stockpiling candles and canned food.

27 posted on 06/01/2010 6:32:20 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 82 days away from outliving Francis Gary Powers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JRandomFreeper

Please do!


28 posted on 06/01/2010 6:32:33 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
The only thing we know for sure is if it does blow...

Bush's fault!

29 posted on 06/01/2010 6:32:50 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy (Gen 15:16 The iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: eCSMaster

Bush’s fault.


30 posted on 06/01/2010 6:34:59 PM PDT by Publius6961 (10% of muslims, the killer murdering radicals, are "only" 140,000,000 of 'em)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: KevinDavis

How would we know something like that?


31 posted on 06/01/2010 6:35:33 PM PDT by GeronL (Political Correctness Kills)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker
There goes Orions belt.
32 posted on 06/01/2010 6:36:56 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wally_bert

2012, eh. This coming 2012?

Well. Goodbye! And thanks for all the fish!


33 posted on 06/01/2010 6:38:16 PM PDT by LTCJ (The Constitution; first, last, always.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

Discover Magazine is late to the party. The changes in Betelgeuse have been observed and commented on for several years now.

“Betelgeuse, considered a supergiant star, is so large that it would reach to Jupiter’s orbit in our solar system. But at a radius of about five astronomical units, the star has shrunk in size since 1993 by a distance equivalent to Venus’s orbit.”

“The distance to Betelgeuse is not known with precision but if this is assumed to be 640 light years, the star’s diameter would be about 950 to 1000 times that of the Sun. Betelgeuse has a color index (B-V) of 1.86 and is thought to have a mass of about 20 solar masses.[3]

It is likely that Betelgeuse will become a supernova.[3][19] Considering its size and age of 8.5 million years – old for its size class – it may explode within the next thousand years—if it hasn’t already.[19] Since its rotational axis is not toward the Earth, Betelgeuse’s supernova would NOT cause a gamma ray burst in the direction of Earth large enough to damage its ecosystem even from a relatively close proximity of 640 light years.[19]

A Betelgeuse supernova could easily outshine the Moon in the night sky.[19] It will likely be the brightest supernova in recorded Human history, easily outshining SN 1006. After it explodes, it will likely linger for several months, being visible in the daytime sky and lighting up nighttime skies in the Solar System for a long time, after which the “right shoulder” of Orion will disappear forever.”


34 posted on 06/01/2010 6:40:39 PM PDT by tlb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LTCJ

After getting some peanuts and a few pints of bitter down at the local pub of course.


35 posted on 06/01/2010 6:41:28 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

” The extra hour of light from daylight savings time won’t burn the crops...”

Wha? Daylight savings gives us more sunshine? Wow, the power of congress is amazing.


36 posted on 06/01/2010 6:43:29 PM PDT by vigilo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: LibWhacker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz0b4STz1lo&feature=related


37 posted on 06/01/2010 6:44:30 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JRandomFreeper
Respectfully request your permission to ping you to this post if it does blow? Just to give an understatement of the century award? ;)

Can you ping me too? I don't want to miss the show when it explodes!

38 posted on 06/01/2010 6:48:03 PM PDT by JimWayne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: count-your-change

That is a pretty good Nova, but not a Super Nova, in my opinion. A Super Nova would be one that is parked in my garage :>)


39 posted on 06/01/2010 6:51:39 PM PDT by irishtenor (Tag lines, they are not what they used to be...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: JimWayne
Sure, because doubling the insolation on the earth couldn't possibly disrupt the internet.

Actually, I'll probably be cowering in the bunker. I'm practical like that. ;)

/johnny

40 posted on 06/01/2010 6:52:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 101-104 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson