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This sounds implausible to me. Highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide is a favorite explosives ingredient of terrorists, but I have a lot of trouble believing that the quantities and concentrations of hydrogen peroxide that a teenage hairdresser would have any legitimate business carrying around in her car, could cause an explosion of this magnitude. Hydrogen peroxide-based hair bleaches are sold in drugstores everywhere for home use, and stored/used in cramped little hair salons everywhere -- you'd think there would have been a serious explosion long before now if they were capable of this.

Any FReepers with serious knowledge of explosives chemistry care to weigh in?

1 posted on 03/25/2010 4:19:16 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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Smoking kills.


2 posted on 03/25/2010 4:20:29 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants. -- William Penn)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Was her name Mohammedette?


3 posted on 03/25/2010 4:22:02 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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Just D-mn!


4 posted on 03/25/2010 4:22:45 PM PDT by Touch Not the Cat (Where is the light? Wonder if it's weeping somewhere...)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

What most of us think about hydrogen peroxide comes in a bottle and is something like .01% hydrogen peroxide.


5 posted on 03/25/2010 4:23:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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Not a lot of detail so it's hard to know what happened. I see two basic scenarios:

1) The Hydrogen Peroxide ignites in a massive ball of flames which is seen for miles and which results in instant death for the young woman. (This seems implausible.

2) The smoker is startled by the sudden experience of some flames coming from her back seat. As she turns around to deal with these pesky flames, she drives into an oak tree, resulting in her death.

One never knows.

6 posted on 03/25/2010 4:25:05 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I do not want the Union to be maintained. I want the US to break up. I support secession.)
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"but I have a lot of trouble believing that the quantities and concentrations of hydrogen peroxide that a teenage hairdresser would have any legitimate business carrying around in her car"

You have a point. OTOH, the peroxide concentrations found in professional hair salons, can be VERY explosive. The concentration of peroxide found in these professional supplies is MUCH greater than what is available OTC, here in the states.

In fact, I believe to purchase such supplies here, one needs a cosmetology license, and I also think records of purchases are also kept for the sales of these products. I don't know what the law is in the UK.

7 posted on 03/25/2010 4:25:14 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (USA - b. July 4, 1776 / d. March 21, 2010)
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More detailed UK article from the Daily Mail, Lots of reader comments and a few photos
12 posted on 03/25/2010 4:29:01 PM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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It could be that some hair salons order the concentrated form of H2O2 that is 35% and used in the food industry. The salons making their own diluted formulations with the 35% H2O2


13 posted on 03/25/2010 4:29:26 PM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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Dang, that stinks.


14 posted on 03/25/2010 4:29:46 PM PDT by GnuHere
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This is as bad as another story I read.

Someone put dry ice in a container in the back seat of the car and went on a long trip. The melting dry ice (CO2) depleted the O2 in the car and the driver passed out and died in an auto accident.

Think about what you're doing.

16 posted on 03/25/2010 4:30:59 PM PDT by blam
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More to this than the story is telling.
Before they passed around all the anti smoking laws hair dressers and their customers used to smoke like crazy around this stuff.


17 posted on 03/25/2010 4:31:27 PM PDT by Lera (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. - Ronald Reagan)
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Hydrogen peroxide, either in pure or diluted form, can pose several risks:
19 posted on 03/25/2010 4:33:26 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Something definitely wrong here.

The peroxide allowed for cosmethic purposes is limited to 3% in aqueous solution. That won’t blow no matter what you do with it.

They better keep on investigating.


21 posted on 03/25/2010 4:34:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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Well I don’t have ‘explosives’ knowledge...but I do have ‘hair’ knowledge and, just a guess here, that if she was using peroxide its NOT the type you get in the drug store (which is less than 1% solution). Professional ‘grade’ is 8 to 10 percent; but can go as high as 40 (for very coarse, dark hair lightening—put it absolutely would fry the hair).

My guess, that she had MORE in her car (as a stylist) (hair spray; gel; acrylics for nails; etc.) and that the collective assemblage of products caused the fire (started by the cigarette).


22 posted on 03/25/2010 4:34:17 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (BOOM! Taste my nightstick! Sarah, making Shatner sound Shakespearean.)
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We used hydrogen peroxide and sulfuric acid to clean wafers when making chips. You talk about a gawd awful combination...you could wave a piece of paper over the fumes and it would ignite.


23 posted on 03/25/2010 4:35:23 PM PDT by blam
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You’re right. The peroxide did not explode, even if it was the 20% stuff.


26 posted on 03/25/2010 4:38:10 PM PDT by spunkets
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It’s horrible, but I think it’s just one of those bizarre accidents. People get killed by having their acetone nail polish remover catch fire from something you wouldn’t even think would be hot enough; some of these substances are much more volatile than you’d expect, and most of us are just lucky!


27 posted on 03/25/2010 4:40:18 PM PDT by livius
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Fitting that the Darwin Award is named after a Brit.

"Here, hold me hair dryer, love, an' watch this........." *PA-WOOF!*


28 posted on 03/25/2010 4:41:29 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Old fishermen never die. They just smell that way.)
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I’m no scientist, and I do not play one on TV, but hydrogen peroxide is not flammable, so a cigarette could not have ignited it. Hydrogen Peroxide is an extremely strong oxidizer, and if it comes into contact with organic material it can have an extremely strong reaction.

In fact, you could not use hydrogen peroxide above a certain strength on human hair, because hair is organic too, and you would have that same strong reaction.

A number of things are not right about this one...


29 posted on 03/25/2010 4:41:38 PM PDT by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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I’ve dealt a little with explosives, so let me propose a theory or two.

The hot cherry of a lit cigarette could possibly have blown into the back seat and ignited the material soaked in peroxide. The flame could then have caused an explosion of the car’s fuel tank or, somewhat more likely, traveled into the peroxide container and, due to the velocity of the expanding gas, caused an explosion, which might then have ignited the fuel tank to cause the “real” explosion.

Similar to igniting a metal gas can; it will explode if done properly.


32 posted on 03/25/2010 4:44:43 PM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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