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Ron Paul: National Bankruptcy will Repeal Obamacare - Not Republicans
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Posted on 03/25/2010 10:11:52 AM PDT by djf

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; obamacare; repeal; ronpaul; shrimpboats; socialisthealthcare
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To: mnehring
I can't help thinking of the 1965 movie of “Dr. Zhivago”. Yuri (Dr. Zhivago) is foolish enough to think he can quit being a doctor. The party deems otherwise, and off he goes to parts unknown (pay attention doctors who think they will just quit!) This after he returns home to discover that the state has confiscated his wife's family's property for the good of the people (that scene kept flowing through my brain yesterday as I was filling out the census.) None of this programs will be repealed with a bankruptcy of the nation. They will just use it an excuse to continue redistribution...
21 posted on 03/25/2010 10:46:59 AM PDT by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: Stat-boy

Argentina is one model. But Lithuania is another.
The collapse is coming. This Healthcare bill makes it a sure deal. We just have to work hard to make sure there is a good replacement system. A hot back up. A federal or confederated system ready to replace the death of the Bankrupt National system.


22 posted on 03/25/2010 10:47:14 AM PDT by greybull (The War starts Monday morning after Sunday night prayers.)
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To: mnehring

I am trying to think of any example of a country that transitioned from socialism/communism into a stable, free society. Hard to do. First of all, I can’t think of many free countries. Thatcher gave it a go in the UK, but even she could only go so far after 11 years.


23 posted on 03/25/2010 10:49:55 AM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: Stat-boy

Not easily, it took almost a century for the Eastern bloc countries to throw off the shackles of Communism, a few are doing OK now, but none like what we would describe as free- only relatively free compared to what they came from.


24 posted on 03/25/2010 10:52:37 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: greybull

“But Lithuania is another.”

Great point, thanks. Many of the Eastern Europe former Soviet countries are tending towards freedom. Another reason to thank the Lord for sending Reagan.


25 posted on 03/25/2010 10:53:03 AM PDT by Stat-boy
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To: greybull

I believe you will quickly see some sort of underground system pop up- it usually does in these situations. Something like a black market of health services where people can get care without going through big brother bureaucracy.


26 posted on 03/25/2010 10:53:51 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Stat-boy

Czeck republic and Chile. for two very different ways of going about it.


27 posted on 03/25/2010 10:55:42 AM PDT by greybull (The War starts Monday morning after Sunday night prayers.)
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To: mnehring

You are absolutely correct. There will be Cash system and the insurance system. There will be lower levels of tax compliance and disrespect of the rule or law. Very similar to what you see in Europe. None of which helps stave off the Fiscal crisis facing the country.


28 posted on 03/25/2010 10:58:25 AM PDT by greybull (The War starts Monday morning after Sunday night prayers.)
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To: djf

Paul is a fool. The government will take over all businesses and we’ll all be working for the state. That’s the plan.


29 posted on 03/25/2010 10:59:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Stat-boy
I am trying to think of any example of a country that transitioned from socialism/communism into a stable, free society.

Poland says “Hello”.



30 posted on 03/25/2010 11:00:36 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: djf

An economic Collapse would see:

1) several prosperous states probably split....Texas along with the states that border it....

2) Canada breaking apart

3) Mexico goes immediately into civil war

4) Race riots that make the 60’s look like a picnic

5) The rest of the world enters a new Dark Ages...who’s going to buy their crap.....

Without federal money, how the hell would Washington STOP any succession movements.


31 posted on 03/25/2010 11:01:35 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: trisham

how do you propose to stop it? The Bankruptcy I mean. I just don’t see any way to avoid it.


32 posted on 03/25/2010 11:01:56 AM PDT by greybull (The War starts Monday morning after Sunday night prayers.)
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To: trisham

As much as we complain about the size and waste of government, I’m pretty sure about one thing.

The government is not big enough to actually run the country.

If they tried, it would just collapse out of the inefficiencies.


33 posted on 03/25/2010 11:02:16 AM PDT by djf (Justice delayed is justice denied.)
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To: greybull; Travis McGee
The coming collapse of the USA was pre-ordained way before the health-care bill was signed. That's why I don't get my panties in wad - it will become evident to all that health care was a complete non-event compared to the looming debt-deflation implosion.

We are going to default on the debt - either through outright repudiation or hyper-inflation. Given the total force of deflation occurring right now, hyper-inflation would require the US gov't itself issuing unbacked greenbacks.

Either way, I just don't see the fed.gov surviving for the very simple reason that there won't be enough economic output to support the military. Right now, the warfare state goes along with the welfare state because it pays the bills.

However, when it becomes evident that there isn't going to be sufficient funds forthcoming, the DoD will have to make their move. The nice thing is they do have a clause about enemies, foreign & domestic.

The big question is whether or not the military leadership would be smart enough to get out of the way and let the state's resume 99% of the governance (with DoD providing nat'l security) or would they try and go hog?

If they did that, then we'd have a long insurgency, one in which it's hard to imagine the military coming out on top. So, in the end, I think they'll be smart and let the whole thing quickly devolve to the states except for maintaining an adequate external force.

Of course, this means that all troops come home - no more forward bases nor perpetual wars. No matter how it turns out, it's definitely gonna be interesting!

34 posted on 03/25/2010 11:02:46 AM PDT by semantic
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To: djf

With all of us slaves of the state, it will be big enough to do a really poor job of it.


35 posted on 03/25/2010 11:10:49 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: greybull

The bankruptcy is the least of our worries. Prepare to live in a communist country, comrade. If the current administration has any say in it, that’s what will happen.


36 posted on 03/25/2010 11:13:43 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

People wouldn’t tolerate the inefficiencies.

More than one government sidewalk inspector would end up in the wood chippers!


37 posted on 03/25/2010 11:15:51 AM PDT by djf
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To: djf
I am not a Ron Paul fan; however, he might be correct on this issue. When, not if, the economy implodes under the unsustainable national debt, it will kill much of the so-called Great Society and Obamacare. Obama is transforming this nation from a super power to a third world nation.
38 posted on 03/25/2010 11:19:55 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: semantic

I like your post. Let the military take this country back and restore it.


39 posted on 03/25/2010 11:23:32 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: rlmorel

“If there were 36 hours in the day, Ron Paul would be right at least three times.”

The point is not whether Dr. Paul is right or wrong, but whether there is a regularity in the sequence of economic events that makes the coming bankruptcy inevitable and predictable. “Other things being equal” if we continue on the current economic course, the country will bankrupt itself, and all the attempts to provide health care welfare will become futile. Personalities will have nothing to do with it.


40 posted on 03/25/2010 11:39:37 AM PDT by TIElniff (Autonomy is the guise of every graceless heart.)
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