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To: ClearCase_guy

>>Every Libertarian I have ever known has been arrogant and self-righteous. They have all emphasized legalizing drugs. They have all favored legal prostitution. They have all favored open borders — Hey! Mexicans! C’mon over!!<<

I know a lot of Libertarians and none support open borders.

Most are just “Government should just leave me the heck alone.”


16 posted on 02/16/2010 7:41:55 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

It is amazing that most republicans here don’t agree with everything the republican party does, but when they argue against the l;ibertarians they ascriobe every libertarian party platform plank to them. It’s a standard straw man technique.


24 posted on 02/16/2010 7:47:25 PM PST by votemout
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To: freedumb2003
I know a lot of Libertarians and none support open borders.

My involvement with the Libertarian Party began in the 1970's. I know quite a few Libertarians today. We must run in very different circles, because open borders has been a big issue for decades.

It's one reason I broke with the LP.

27 posted on 02/16/2010 7:50:29 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I was born in America, but now I live in Declinistan.)
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To: freedumb2003
"I know a lot of Libertarians and none support open borders.

Most are just “Government should just leave me the heck alone.”

I have never considered myself a Libertarian, because I disagree with common Libertarian views such open borders, abortion, WOT and third party voting, but I am really feeling their passion on wanting the gooberment to stay out of my life.

First and foremost, I am a Federalist, as our Founding Fathers were. That means obey the 10th Amendment! All laws, powers and legislative actions fall to the States unless the Constitution specifically gives the Federal Government the authority. That usually leaves me in the position of acting like one of the "just stay out of my life and leave me alone" Libertarians on a Federal level, and then wanting conservative legislation on a State level.

109 posted on 02/16/2010 9:11:04 PM PST by GregoTX (When people find they can vote themselves money it will herald the end of the republic. Ben Franklin)
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To: freedumb2003

“I know a lot of Libertarians and none support open borders.”


The party sure does and they must represent the most concise definition of Libertarianism in the real world.

2004 Libertarian Party Platform:
Immigration
The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.


125 posted on 02/16/2010 9:27:01 PM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: freedumb2003

They sound like Hippies from the 60’s......you know the flower people. Let everybody do their own thing their own way...and anti-gov. types.

OR they sound like those characters in Calif....


172 posted on 02/16/2010 11:21:32 PM PST by caww
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