Posted on 02/16/2010 5:38:20 PM PST by cycle of discernment
You know, I've just about had it with Mr. 'Due Diligence', Mr "Research your brains out', Glenn Beck --mercilessly going after the genuine questions about Obama's veiled past as "lunatic", fringe, insane--including the MIA birth certificate and the missing, contradictory and veiled Obama personal, professional and academic records.
He and O'Reilly are beginning to protest too damn much...the TRUTH of the matter is that there are LEGION of murky questions surroundiong Obama. It is conspicuously bizarre the way they are behaving about it--overdoing the "hostility", the ridicule.
Since Beck is so quick to castigate and dismiss the so-called much maligned, "birthers"---then PROVE it is nonsense with real hard core data and info--debunk the swirl with counter-evidence--answer the gaps--let's see one of his famous research shows on this 'raging through the underground' topic, eh?
WHY NOT BECK?
“Sorry but the guy is a con artist and an opportunist with a sketchy past going back to his college years. He got away with his jive during the campaign and now people are finally starting to see through him and are starting to ask the questions that should have been asked by the media a long time ago.
You mean Lucas Smith (DITDF)? I don’t think he went to college, other than that you’re spot on.
Beck went into an almost incoherent scream. Shouting "He is my president....." He ranted on and on. At that point for me something ended any respect I had for the man. I reasoned that he has a call screener. Surely, the screener could have said that they were sorry, but Mr Beck would prefer not to address the problem.
If Beck did not know of the caller's topic, I take some of it back, even so he was almost hysterical. Apart from that he could have taken the call and addressed it like a rational individual.
I sometimes wonder about the effect on that quietly spoken woman. Beck even did worse on a woman who went counter to his views on health care. The man must have aged his heart action by five years (joke).
I do not trust him.
What does it mean then? Enlighten us.
“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”
They based that on citations of historical English common law and discussions of a Supreme Court case. Perhaps the most too-the-point historical quotation is the following:
“It thus clearly appears that by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country, and continuing to The present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, and the jurisdiction of the English sovereign; and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.”
But that's just a court and, you know, judges. What could they possibly know about the law?
Purely from the view of a person who lives and breaths genealogy and the subsequent old records, I have my theories. I was once asked here, "just what do you think?" One of my three points was that the now President was not registered at the time. I know from experience that even the most famous ie: Charlie Chaplin was never registered. Certain he was born in London, England.
If Barack was born in Hawaii and was not registered, it would thus offer that he would have to prove birth on United States territory. Witnesses would have to be deposed, hospital records accessed, other documents put forward. A constitutional crisis? Who knows.
My other theory was that the race of his father was listed as "Arabic". The third theory and unlikely, is that he was born in Canada.
Apart from the obvious frustration and indeed grief this business has caused reasoning and articulate American citizens, I have learned more about the subject of natural born and say that good will come out of this.
The truth will out.
Thank you for the concern, but, I think I and many others are tried of the crisp cool air...... needs more global warming.
“If Barack was born in Hawaii and was not registered”
I do not understand “registered”.
I assume that the certification certificate means he was registered, but it is NOT proof of Hawaiian birth.
My only point is that he should be required to explain
why he can not produce a real birth certificate.
It is evident that anyone who wished to convince the authority, to provide a certificate of live birth, could do so. It was a known practice. This in effect would not prove that the child was actually born in Hawaii. Merely that a declaration was made to that effect.
I agree with your point and it is one that will be with us for a long time- unless something breaks.
Beck will come out the worse for it because O'Reilly's carefully-crafted leprechaun facade masks an amoral, creepy poseur.
Run, Glenn, run. Separate yourself from O'Reilly's malingnant influence as fast as you can. You don't need to bask in his manipulative shadow.
This is a very bad mutual love affair.
Leni
I am familiar with that. It is non-conclusive since we do not know his birth place or if he is an Indonesian citizen.
“Excuse my usage of an English term. I have in mind the Registry of births, marriages and deaths, to use the term; meaning a human body went in to an office and declared the full details of birth. “
Well, that is done automatically, with the hospital submitting the birth certificate to the state, and the state has a copy of it.
While I was living in Slovakia, I became eligible for Social Security.
I had my daughter go to the health department in Memphis, where I was born.
She obtained a certified copy. It was my original hospital certificate, superimposed on an 8x10 official form.
Mine is from 1944, but the original is very much like a birth certificate from many other states, including Hawaii, and much like copies that I have seen on the internet of
originals issued in Hawaii in the 60s.
My understanding is that the certification that Obama uses can be obtained by anyone, and without any proof of being born there.
He has offered up a Hawaiian COLB the state of Hawaii does not dispute, and for which the state official most directly relevant has confirmed the information contained therein. That definitively establishes place of birth in any legal sense.
The Indonesian citizenship issue is a red herring. Whatever happened in Indonesia would not have cost the child Barak his US citizenship.
Of course, that decision is nice if you like what liberal judges decide for you. These “judges”(that know all about the law) were the same types that ratified the 17th amendment despite the requirement that it requires unanimous rather that 3/4 consent of the states. The supremes also said in the ratification of the 16th “the fraud associated with the ratification of the 16th amendment is not something we can decide here, it is a political question”..That I have little faith in judges after those decisions seems apparent at least to me.
I do not know if the Indonesian thing is a red herring since he may have a applied to Occidental as a foreign national and may have traveled on an Indonesian passport. Also the evidence is pretty convincing that he never attended Columbia as he claimed.
There are lots of things you have to accept on faith to make this guy legit. Judges seem enough for you. The COLB is a non-starter for me.
We even have a Freeper that had a one on one with Obama early on in Hawaii and he admitted then he was born in Mombasa. Of course, he is not a judge, but his hearing was pretty good.
Some days I just want to cry...
Yes that green form is not proof, even to the rubber stamp signature of Dr Alvin T. Onaka PhD on the reverse. Stating that this is to certify that is a copy of the record on file. Anyone could wield that rubber stamp.
I forgot to observe that indeed if the birth was NOT in a hospital, then I would presume the onus would still be on the parent/s. If not them, the attending midwife/physician. That would be to personally go to an office pertainent to that registration.
Unless there is some other explaination.
And what evidence is that?
I am sick of birhters making fools out of everyone with a legitimate argument that Obama is hiding something....
With all due respect you could do the same and shut Beck up completely by providing real hard core data and info of your own.
Investigators cannot find him in any class list of that period. People that attended at the same time and in the same fields could not place him the classes. He is not in any yearbook. I sure that is not convincing to you. But, the investigators are not through with their work.
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