. . . . Look, look! We're missing something, and it must be important since the-you-know-whos are on the thread.
Check out #162 and #171.
[Thanks, InspectorSmith. Btw, lucysmom is Not my mom.]
Posted on 01/13/2010 1:08:11 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Today I was in federal court for several hours. Rivernider vs US Bank. I testified against Orly Taitz. Orly Taitz was present as well and also testified.
In court today I watched as Orly Taitz told lie after lie while under oath on the witness stand. She claimed that she has never in her life given anyone permission to sign her signature. (This hearing today was about Orly's claim that Charles Edward Lincoln III forged her signature on a filing in Rivernider vs US Bank). Attorney Phil Berg was present as counsel to Charles Lincoln.
Phil Berg went on to question Orly Taitz as to why then, if she had never given anyone permission to sign her signature, why then had she while in Israel contacted Charles Lincoln and told him to advise one of her dental staff in California to sign her (Orly's) name to payrol checks for the employees. Orly Taitz started to reply with one story that her signature is not used on payrol checks but then Phil Berg asked her who then is it that signs off on employee hours to verify them for the payrol. At this time Orly then started in with a new story that she took payroll checks with her to Isael and signed the payrol checks there in Israel and mailed them to her dental employees from back in the USA. ???????????????? I don't think anyone bought that story.
At this time Orly started complaining that she was being badgered and that she objects and a string of other legal terms that, depending on what she said, was either the role of witness, attorney and even the role of judge.
Two members of the website, Politijab.com, were present.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
dear Lucas, sometimes you get angry but that’s okay with me.
This time I will AGAIN ask the same 2 questions before replying:
Why are name and signature of the CA on your BC spelled Helton Maganga when:
a Maganga’s name is Heltan, and
b Maganga was not the Chief administrator on Feb 19th 2009.
?
Most online sources I have quoted as evidence are the major media of Kenya - The Nation and NTV the national television. So they are not just any blog. Also I mention the 2 online medical directories (they are there from before you even dreamed about recovering a Kenyan BC). Don’t you think that by now any doctor seeing his name mispelled for YEARS on a public directory would have asked to amend it’s spelling ?
Your statement about Africans not knowing their age can appear quite racist allthough I know you are not a racist. This statement can be applied to people who were born and still live in tribal communities certainly not to educated city dwellers. You are generalizing.
Contrary to your comment my last research is not garbage.
I was asking a question and you gave me an answer (thanks). However in your affidavit you never mentioned the other (PR)Congo. I am still very curious about how you reached Nairobi from those remote areas where Mbembe was sighted.
If you go to politijab and to another free republic thread you can trace the moment I first posted my forgery of your forgery. It is self evident. Thousand of people fooled ? What about the tens of thousands fooled by you ?
If you recall I have allways insisted YOU call Maganga because nobody would ever believe my words concerning a phone call. You won’t do it because making a call would in itself be an admission of forgery (how could you possibly show that you have doubts ?).
Listen Lucas I understand your strategy about making me appear as an unreliable liar and forger but the point is not about the messenger (me), it’s about the message (Heltan and Othigo). SO your anger should be directed at those who put the sources I have used online: the Medical Associations who’s directories name Heltan, the Journalists who dared to write articles about CPGH until April 2009 interviewing the Chief Administrator Jennifer Othigo. They are your target Lucas. You must confront yourself with them not me.
AMINA KIBIRIGE has named Othigo as Chief Administrator more than once. Here are two of these instances. The following is the April 2009 article you well now and about which you have implicitly accused me of having planted it (it really must have scared you !)
http://www.nation.co.ke/page/search/DailyNation/-/1148/1148/-/view/asSearch/-/r4tvx4z/-/index.html
The next one was commented by Seizethecarp. It’s form October 2008. It is just to illustrate that I HAVE NOT MADE UP the story about Othigo as Chief Administrator. I HAVE JUST REPORTED IT.
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/473466/-/tkuho4/-/index.html
the other articles frome Feb and March 2009 you well know.
In another article from 2008 Amina interviews another doctor and describes him as the Deputy Chied Administrator. So she seems to be quite precise about details in here reportings.
So why don’t you also make contact with her ? She is on facebook and her email is available on the net.
Stay well
GreatKim2009 aka Mik Tearg,
Stop with the lies already. Now you claim that you never called Maganga. ha ha ha ha.
You were all over the youtube forum saying that YOU had spoken with Maganga on the telephone.
When others tried to call the hospital but were hung up on (because the person answering the phone coudln’t understand them) it you was YOU that told us that we should NOT cut to chase with the hospital over the telephone and that we shouldn’t let the hospital know that we are calling about Obama’s bc per se.
You were claiming on youtube that Maganga told you his middle name and his gender when you spoke with him on the telephone.
What happened Kim, you forgot your own lies now???
A few days after your call is when you started saying that I (Lucas) should call the hospital. I and many others have called the hospital number (listed on the bc, the number that you claimed was fake). The person that answer speaks terrible English and doesn’t understand me or others that call when we speak in our “proper” (hahaha) American English.
So stop with the lies already. Do I need to get everyone from the forum over here to call you out as a liar??? Originally you told everyone that YOU called Maganga.
Next, it’s not just people that are born in tribal areas that don’t know their birth dates in Africa. As I have told you the norms and cultures outside of Europe and America are very different. We American and Europeans think of time in a very different way. Everything is so obsessive compulsive with us Americans and Europeans, we take notes on everything we record exact times and dates. Much of the population throughout Africa doesn’t give a crap about specific dates. You might want to travel to Africa some day if you are going to continue with your lie about your 30 years in Africa.
Again, get some evidence to back your claims. Online newspapers and a couple Kenyan medical directories (which Helton Maganga didn’t write himself) are just examples of Swahili being spelled out in English with the writers own phonetic version. Kenyan news sources also have spelled his last name as “Muganga”. And when we start talking about Othigo, WOW, big problem, BIG PROBLEM, several different spellings and even complete different names for her four names long name.
Take a look at several different spellings of Barack Obama in Kenya and surrounding African nations. You think they really don’t know how to spell his name??? Is one source correct and the other is not??? Is one a forgery, or all of them forgeries???
You don’t have a clue about Africa.
And again, are we to believe that you know more that Maganga, Ang’awa’s family, Othigo, Odongo and Coast Province General Hospital???
They all remained silent. How difficult would it be for Ang’awa’s family to come forward with several documents that James Ang’awa signed?
How difficult would it be for Helton Maganga to come forward and say, “Hey guys, I wasn’t even chief Admin in February 2009, and by the way I spell my name HELTAN and heres several documents with my name on it.
You Kim have even made the claim that you work for a company that has two Chief Administrators and that you are one of them. Yet you are obsessed with Maganga/Othigo.
Things in Africa are unstable, nothing functions as it does in the developed world. Yet you continue to reason everything out with American norms and culture.
Go find some sort of real evidence. As you know I am an objective person. I will consider any evidence regardless of what direction the evidence leans towards.
Lastly I see that you have half-answered my question about your birth certificate forgeries. Yes, yes, yes I know you were on the forum (youtube) telling everyone that your forgeries were solely to demonstrate just how easy it was to make a forgery. BUT YOU DIDN’T TELL THAT TO YOUR VIEWERS ON photobucket.com (which is now “private”) or your viewers at scribd.com (which you removed a several days ago). Those were the thousands of viewes that you mislead.
The other part of your half-answer was to state that I (Lucas) have mislead many more than you have so why should it matter that you created forgeries and mislead only a cuople thousdand people.
What sort of logic is that? You sound like a little kid now.
Thanks for writing. If you can find any real evidence I will reply again.
Respectfully,
Lucas Smith.
It seems that you’ve learned a lot of wrong argument from Orly Taitz...”no! your honorrrr!, youuu! have the powerrrr!it’s for you to order discovery your honorrrr!
InspectorSmith, why should Mik Tearg prove the credibility of his person? YOUUUU! are the purveyor of the Kenyan Birth Certificate. YOUUU! claim that your document is authentic. Then you have the burden to prove that your document is genuine. You posted it in the internet, then anyone who comes accross your claim who becomes curious can seek answers to any of their questions from you!
1. Where were those videos (with you and the KBC)...recorded?
2. Can you show proof that you went to Kenya? Plane tickets, Railway tickets, public transport tickets, gas receipt, meal receipts, credit card transactions in kenya, hotel accomodation receipts, photos with the families who accomodated you, pictures in front of the hospital, your passport with the kenyan entry and exit dates stamped on your passport.
There are so many ways to prove that you went to kenya. You’ve shown 2 pictures with you claiming that it was shot with the kenyan slums as your background (I guess those were already debunked, were they?). Then you must have more photos to really prove that you went to kenya.
Let me reiterate, you’re the one who claimed to have gotten a genuine KBC from Kenya, then you have to prove that what you claim as genuine is really genuine! Please don’t attack those who ask you for proof! Don’t expect that everyone who looks at your KBC will readily agree that it is real. Expect that it will be scrutinized and that you must be ready to stand by your claim.
never claimed that I didn’t call Maganga. Just saying that what I found will never amount to evidence in your eyes (after all I am the forger-liar, right ?). So I need indipendent confirmation (or for you to call him - which you will never do). This is not as simple as it seems since I need a trusted credible third party, and new probatory elements. Hopefully this will come soon. I am patient.
Why doesn’t Maganga come up and explain ? That’s what you think he should do right ? The problem is that in Kenya the attention that your fraud has drawn is zero. Over there it is a non-issue. Should you or some of your supporters make the mistake of bombarding Kenyan blogs (they are mainly in English - Jukwaa has many hits and oftern discusses things related to Obama) as you have done here attention will rise and sooner or later the truth will emerge. Since they believe your scam is at a level of pure lunacy and ridicule they will not bother to step in. It’s up to you now. Either you remain happy with the actual limbo-situation which is useful from your perspective to gather support or you decide to collect (or fabricate) new evidence because you are not happy that so many doubt your claims.
At CPGH they speak quite good English, as does Maganga. CPGH is part of an international AIDS project funded by USAID (started under Bush), they receive calls from the States all the time.
Smith doesn't claim the birth certificate was obtained legally, in fact he says in order to get it he had to pay a "cash consideration" (bribe) - perhaps he was punked.
“perhaps he was punked.”
I kind of, think that he was taken for a ride or punked so to speak! The question therefore is why does he continue to pass the document as real. What was his intent when he took videos with the backgound of a slum area purporting them to be from Kenya. The question remains that he has not shown any proof that he went to kenya...bus ticket, railway ticket, plane ticket, gas and meal receipt, hotel accomodation receipt, pictures (especially that he used pictures to show that he was in Kenya...the pictures turned out to be taken from the Dominican Republic).
Hey, didn't you claim that I am Great Kim?
Again, get some evidence to back your claims. Online newspapers and a couple Kenyan medical directories (which Helton Maganga didn’t write himself) are just examples of Swahili being spelled out in English with the writers own phonetic version.
People often misspell my name, not because the spelling isn't standardized, but because they hear it wrong, assuming a name similar and more common than my relatively rare name.
In this case, a professional listing would have more weight than a newspaper article simply because more care is given to the preparation of the former for publication.
BTW, Kenya has two official languages, English and Swahili. English is the language of instruction and Swahili is taught as a subject (not an uncommon situation in multi-lingual countries with a colonial history).
You spend way too much time explaining away discrepancies, I begin to think "thou dost protest too much".
They all remained silent. How difficult would it be for Ang’awa’s family to come forward with several documents that James Ang’awa signed?
How difficult would it be for Helton Maganga to come forward and say, “Hey guys, I wasn’t even chief Admin in February 2009, and by the way I spell my name HELTAN and heres several documents with my name on it.
On the other hand, why should they bother? These are professional people with full lives; isn't it a bit arrogant to think they would care enough about the spelling of a name on a document presented by a member of a fringe group half a world away to take time out of a busy life to set the record straight?
You make sweeping generalizations about the culture of the people of a whole continent. Just stunning! How much in common do you think Morocco has with Batswana, or either has with the Congo?
'Cause it gets him a lot of attention, and for a moment he can feel important - just a thought.
Actually I don't think even Orly believed him. She just thought she could use Smith's birth certificate to raise enough doubt about Obama's birth to get (say it along with me) DISCOVERY.
“’Cause it gets him a lot of attention, and for a moment he can feel important - just a thought.”
My gut feeling also leans toward what you’re thinking...I concur with you!
“Actually I don’t think even Orly believed him. She just thought she could use Smith’s birth certificate to raise enough doubt about Obama’s birth to get (say it along with me) DISCOVERY.”
Larry Sinclair (as if he is to be trusted? LOL), also wrote in his affidavit that Orly Taitz knew that Lucas KBC was a fake. Sinclair sent a copy of his affidavit to Judge Carter. (page 7, item 10 and 11)
Dear Greatkim2009 aka Mik Tearg,
Get you story straight. You went from claiming to have called Maganga to not having called him and now back to saying that you never said that you didn’t call him. Even on this thread you contradicted yourself.
And don’t tell me that the staff at CPGH speaks great English. The receptionist that answers the telephone speaks terrible English.
You and your friend “lucysmom” should brush up on African culture and perhaps that languages that are spoken and written there. Swahili NEVER had a written language until(first) the Arabs taught Swahili speakers to write Swahili (phonetically) in Arabic and the (second) the Europeans taught Swahili speakers who to write out Swahili (again, phonetically) in English.
Kim you research never ceases to amaze me. Either you are simpleton or you are a paid Obot that is paid to post disinformation.
You’ve created a buddy account (spectrum~~~~~~) so that you’ll have a voice to carry out a dialog with.
You refuse to answer objective questions. Still waiting for your take on the MANY MANY MANY spellings of Othigo’s names.
Also your take on Barack’s name spellings.
Also would like to know why you have not a clue about life, culture and norms in Africa when you claimed to have worked there for the “oil companies” for 30 years.
I hope that you are paid well for the rubbish that you post around the Internet. Because if you are doing this just for the love of Obama then you are one lonely little sole. Get a life. Seek friends and a companion. If you are anything like the Obots that showed up at the Florida Rivernider hearing………hmmmm….....talk about lonely little soles with no lives. They were attired in the clothing of homeless men and had some of the most awkward appearances that I have seen in a while. It was a very weird feeling seeing these two weird little creatures in the courtroom.
I have no doubt that Great Kim aka Mik Tearg would fit right in with their crowd. By the way, both of the weird guys at court admitted to being paid to cover the hearing. From the looks of things one could almost bet that they were paid a very small stipend which they probably used for to support their habits with.
You should to know them Kim, they post along with you at politijab.com
What a bunch of low life scum.
. . . . Look, look! We're missing something, and it must be important since the-you-know-whos are on the thread.
Check out #162 and #171.
[Thanks, InspectorSmith. Btw, lucysmom is Not my mom.]
You’ve created a buddy account (spectrum~~~~~~) so that you’ll have a voice to carry out a dialog with.
Please Mr InspectorSmith. Will you bunch me up with other posters here? It’s getting to be a pattern for you to either not answer questions that you can’t give any logical answer or come up with some off this world explanation to borders to comedy or morality play.
“What a bunch of low life scum”?...
You don’t run out of insults do you? However you keep running out of answers to the questions being asked of you!
InspectorSmith, the last time I checked, it’s you who has a checkered past...so I guess you can call yourself to have lived that low life...shall I add SCUM?
While I agree with your argument, only an Obama paid stooge would sign up on this forum with the sole purpose of trying to argue against this. Why do you care about such an obvious “fake” floating around FR?
While I have the option not to give you an answer...I’ll give you that satisfaction but let me ask you this. Do you have to defend an obvious fraud just because the person claims to be a conservative? I’m bothered about an obvious hoax floating around FR for the obvious damage it brings to conservatism!...I HATE LIES, ABORTION, FORNICATIONS AND ADULTERY....Do you want to hear more?
We are quite capable here of ferreting out forgeries. We’ve seen a bunch of them. As you can see there is plenty of skepticism by some long time freepers on this particular document. Unlike the media, however, we do not necessarily dismiss stuff out of hand as forgeries because either.
Bear in mind it was a freeper that first discovered Dan Rather’s forged Bush letter.
We’ve also had an influx of trolls here telling us that EVERYTHING about Obama’s Hawaiian birth is on the level. That simply is not so.
That’s fine, we can talk about Obama COLB also...but I’m very much focused on InspectorSmith’s kenyan BC. because instead of engaging me in a civil discussion, he always throws in insults. He claims to be a conservative and even that I will challenge!
Thanks for the ping, LucyT. Rather a bewildering thread, but the fact that the 0bots always feel compelled to join in continues to suggest that they are worried about this Kenyan business.
Lucas,
you must be drunk. The many many many questions about Othigo’s name mispelled in many sources (which i have seen and examined) is a non issue. The issue is that on April 19th 2009 dr Othigo was Chief Administrator and dr.Maganga was not.Maganga’s name is an issue because YOU have misspelled his name on your piece of paper ans SO you MUST have forged it.
Am I here with a document carrying Othigo’s mispelled name and claiming to be correct anyway because primitive Africans misspell their own names all the time ?
So why should I care about Othigo’s namespelling ?
If you believe this not to be a big issue and continue to insist that the big issues are:
why have I forged your forge
have I really called maganga
have I been to Africa
etc about me.
LUCAS ! WAKE UP (and grow up) this is about YOUR forge and YOUR suporting evidence.
STICK TO THE TOPIC PLEASE.
Ok, I’ll calm down. here are the questions:
Why does your fake piece of paper that you handsomely paraded through a Santo Domingo slum wearing plastic gloves claiming to be in Africa....why does your absolutely unbelievable forgery dated FEBRUARY 19th 2009 CONTAIN A POORLY FORGED STAMP of CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR DR. HELTON MAGANGA when
MAGANGA’S NAME IS HELTAN
MAGANGA WAS NOT CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR ON FEB 19TH OTHIGO WAS.
WHY ?
Lucas I am very sorry to say this, believe me. But you sound awfully stupid.
ps call CPGH, they do speak English. which is an official language in Kenya. Who told you the contrary is a liar.
Bump to read later.
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