Posted on 12/01/2009 9:49:31 AM PST by TruthHound
Welcome to the world of extreme right wing malcontents. Nothing or no one (except Saint Sarah, that is until she starts actually going on the record with hard policy positions) is good enough. No good deed goes unpunished.
By the time they’re done with their torches, pitchforks and clubs, there will only be a couple hundred of them sitting around and grooving on the rubble, smirking in that self satisfied grin of the little boy who just toilet papered the principals house.
I reject several of your premises.
You write in such a way as to make it out McCain doesn’t deserve to be a ‘whipping boy’ - your term. First, do you even remember who John McCain is, and what he does to his own party? Do we have to rehash his history and how McCain feels about what’s wrong with the party and his views on conservatives?
Second you say ‘after Nov 6?’ Are you kidding me? We have been exposing McCain for who he is a LONG time before the day after he didn’t win. You think it’s only after that that we’ve been talking about his problems?
Third you appear to trivialize the genuine criticisms of people to other candidates with your whole ‘yada-yada’ whatever statements.
Fourth, when you are talking about certain criticisms offered by specific people (ie fox being lib, etc) and try to paint all of us here as being the ones that offered that criticism. The examples you mention aren’t known to everyone here. ANd we’re not just fricking robots that automatically agree with everything just because someone cries ‘liberal’.
Fifth, you say you can’t think of anyone you don’t have a problem with either on some issue. Join the club. Don’t get pissed people are discussing why they have problems with certain folks when you do too. Part of the discussion is to list the problems and then have debate about them and have people by this make up their own minds if the problems are big enough to make them not vote for them. It’s a winnowing process. we don’t want what happened in 2008 to happen again in 2012. We don’t want to be stuck voting for a candidate for the reasons we had to this time.
You gripe that if we examine all candidates critically we’ll have checkmarks in columns we disagree with them on. Well, sure, yes. The difference is WHAT CATEGORIES THOSE CHECKBOXES ARE IN. Are they deal-breakers for you, or not, THAT is what you need to figure out. If they ARE, you shouldn’t support them. If they ARE NOT, you can with a clear conscience, vote for them.
But why do you care what others think? They aren’t going to change how you vote. So what if everyone here says they want to support another candidate than you? So what if they rip your guy down? Defend him if you want. Make your case for him and then deal with the criticsm. You might wind up convincing some people if you have good reasons.
You ask how can we go and support people for positives, not negatives. People here put voter guides together where they discuss people’s positions and highlight their stated views and records. We link to a lot of different sites that offer these guides and people go there and read them.
You also could start a thread here with listing candidates and what you see as their positive attributes for people to discuss.
quit bitching
Reagan was no RINO but he did give us O’Connor and Kennedy as well as pro abortion legislation and the first amnesty. Using FR “RINO” standards today he should be run out of town on a rail...
Extremists on the right have a very romantic view of history...little of which is true.
In the Texas gubernatorial face-off, Debra Medina looks like the Non-RINO.
SHUT UP NEWBIE!!
Oh, sorry, nevermind.
I like Sarah—but she may be too polarizing. I would go for Rudy—with Palin as his v.p.—because he has a solid reputation as a fixer, a doer, a reformist. As he turned NYC around, he would turn this country around, lowering taxes, restructuring government agencies, firing bureaucrats, getting the public sector out of the private sector. He’s the only potential candidate with solid practical experience with Reaganomics—and his knowledge of economics and high finance—as well as foreign policy—is in-depth. He’s the real deal. He’s also supremely articulate and media savvy. He’s a strict constructionist, despite personal views on some wedge issues—which should satisfy the social conservatives—and he’s electable. He ran 5 or 6 pts. ahead of both Hillary and Obama in national polls—though he had a rough time in his own party. He’s what we need—a blue-stater, somebody who can win over a few blue states where he polls strongly—CT, NJ—and a few purple states—PA and OH. I never could understand why we keep nominating people from the heartland or from the South when we need to make incursions into blue state territory. Rudy could do this. He seems to me the ideal candidate for these tough times.
Not too bright, are ya?
Did you happen to notice the guy in office right now?
so you ask who is not a rino?
The bottom line is that there is a battle for the heart and soul of this country. There are two parties in this country. The democrats spit on our values, crush our liberties, destroy our free markets and productivity, side with our enemies, piss on the military, and create dependency to ensue their everlasting power.
The assumption would be that the opposition party, i.e. the Republican party would fight tooth and nail to secure our constitutional rights, free markets, liberty, sovereignty, borders, military, etc. This is the purpose of the Republican party. Anyone who doesn’t get that is just preserving the Democrat party.
With that said, a real Republican is someone who is consistently on the side of freedom and not in bed with the enemy making a deal every time you turn around. Individuals make mistakes and nobody is perfect. Even a good conservative might make very specific mistakes, but they will always be fundamentally on the side of freedom and will fundamentally work hard to defeat the rats. There are a handful of Senators and a number of House members who fit that bill. Anyone who read Sarah’s book and life story knows that here whole essence is a living example of conservatives. Everyone makes mistakes from time to time but a true Republican will advance the “conservative football” down the field.
Rino’s are those who are constantly undermine the conservative agenda and help facilitate the Democrat’s destruction of the country. People like DeMint, and Cuburn in the Senate clearly understand the battle and our solidly on the side of freedom. This is not to say that they can’t make mistakes. These minor mistakes don’t make them RINO’s. But people like Graham, Christ, Bennett, Hatch and all the good old boys club who are constantly making deals with the rats are clearly moving the liberal football down the field. They are therefore Republicans in name only.
Rahm Emanuel took back the House by recruiting candidates in Red districts that were unabashedly pro-2nd Amendment, and many were pro-life. We haven't seen gun control legislation proposed by the liberals in either the House or the Senate because they know it would fracture their coalition.
It wouldn’t.
Why do Palinistas believe they elevate Palin’s stature by comparing her to Obama? We all agree Obama is a disaster and socialist prevaricator, it’s not a high hurdle to get over.
It’s like trying to make the case for the Lotus Esprit as being the greatest car in the world by saying it’s better than a Hundai.
Get a clue ‘nistas.
Oh my, don’t start talking effective political strategy, we’re having way too much fun running every pubbie out of town on a rail!
Cause you, know will get us back to a congressional majority and the WHITE HOUSE!
Same to you. GTH!
“If you want compromise and don’t believe we can realize the epitome of exceptionalism that was the United States of America, go back to france - they know surrender.”
I didn’t say that I wanted any of that. I’m just stating fact. You go Frenchy.
Why do anti-Palinstas insist she is polarizing?
Of course she's "polarizing." Anybody who is not a Communist will alienate the Left.
You go ahead and root for your Rumneys and McKeatings.
The rest of us are moving on.
Agreed!
Personally, I consider RINOs to be folks who combine a (usually) leftward tilt with utter misery that conservative Republicans are not only considered part of the same party they are, but have managed to do a lot more and better with it than they have.
Listening to Rush today? Re: NO 3rd Party Business
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