The Soon-to-arrive 'Big Machine'

Porch Maunderings ^ | 11/24/09 | MHGinTN

[MHGinTN]

I sincerely hope the ping list will give this perspective a good FR discussion in the amazing, traditional freeper style. Glenn Beck has been opining that there is something being built but he doesn't know yet what it is. Well, here's a thought in that direction.

[MHGinTN]

PING))))))

[NewJerseyJoe]

P4L

[Nervous Tick]

I’m not a big believer in world order conspiricies. For one thing, they’re hard to organize; for another, they’re even HARDER to keep under wraps.

As for Bambi’s role, my view is “don’t attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity”.

There’s nothing in it for Bambi and the ‘Rats if things COMPLETELY go to hell in a handbasket. That situation will translate to “’Rats out of power” and they don’t want that.

However: in spite of the brave face they’re putting on, I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that they are investigating unthinkable scenarios such as the US defaulting on its debt — in a “what-if” way — with emphasis on “how can we save our political butts and personal fortunes if we were to do that”. They’re still criminal, in my book, but it’s criminally negligent and stupid.

Just my 2c, thanks for the thoughtful post and raising the question.

FRegards

[tgusa]

I just don’t see this total takeover happening here. Try as the banking interests may, there are too many independent-minded souls left in America for this to go through. That said, we have a very rough slog ahead of us for the next few years. Europe? NWO. American? Not so much. Unfortunately, I fear much blood will be spilled.

[RobRoy]

Whenever events seem to be worldwide in impact, I always look for parallels to what I find in Bible prophesy. One thing the Bible is quite clear on: it will get MUCH worse before it gets better.

[tgusa]

And of that, we can be sure.

[PetroniusMaximus]

Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,

“Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:

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God will have the last laugh.

[Nervous Tick]

>> One thing the Bible is quite clear on: it will get MUCH worse before it gets better.

Also: biblically speaking, the relatively good times we have had since WWII — and especially since the Iron Curtain fell — are the anomaly, not the norm. Man’s lot includes a great deal of suffering, as the Lord promised it would. We brought it on ourselves through sin.

However, thanks to Jesus the (eternal) long term future is quite bright. :-)

[ROTB]

1) They’ve had centuries to plan.

2) They are patient.

3) Bambi’s handlers are not stupid.

4) My guess is, it will be as seamless as possible.

5) They are (especially the SEnators on up) independently wealthy. They don’t care.

6) It’s treason.

7) My home is in heaven. Doing what I can to revitalize the church in the meantime.

[elk]

ping

[ßuddaßudd]

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[infool7]

Skynet began to learn at a geometric rate. It originally became self-aware on August 29th 1997 2:14 am Eastern Time.

The thugs and their dear leader are just patsies for something bigger, of course, that’s how it always works but SNL turning against them seems to have moved up the schedule and they are on the brink maybe sooner than the machine will be ready to take control.

[MHGinTN]

Thank you, for addressing the issues at hand. The juxtaposition of Islam and it's different financial system is not an unmanageable obstacle, what with China and India not being susceptible to Islamic empowerment.

Holding the financial reins allows string pullers to manipulate governments. Governments manipulate their subjects. SEIU and ACORN have proven that even the American system of we the people republic can be usurped. But remember please, those who destroy are never able to rule in such a way as to placate those they subjugate. The subjugation must appear desirable so the people settle down to 'take it'.

There will be a one world government, sooner or later. Islam is no great obstacle to such a power as the financial masters now ruling Earth. In fact, Islam may someday take over the financial reins of power, but it will not be through oil control but rather some other insidious means tied to buying and selling.

[Tennessee Nana]

Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying,

“Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:

Psalm 2:1-5

Also...

Lord, you are God, which have made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
Who by the mouth of your servant David have said, “Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
For of a truth against your holy child Jesus, whom you have anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
For to do whatever your hand and your counsel determined before to be done.
And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant to your servants, that with all boldness they may speak your word,
By stretching forth your hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of your holy child Jesus.

Acts 4:24-31

Many are the plans in the mind of man, but God’s way will be established Proverbs 19:21

The wicked plot against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them; but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming. The wicked draw the sword and bend the bow to bring down the poor and needy, to slay those whose ways are upright. But their swords will pierce their own hearts, and their bows will be broken. Psalm 37:12:15

[pallis]

America isn’t going to go easily, no matter how well laid the plan. Conservatism in America has been the thorn in world Socialism’s side for years, and it isn’t going away. Even if the Communists in Washington cooperate and follow the plan, there are states that will resist, and there are people who will support those states. I listened to Beck’s Titanic rant, mostly in agreement, but thinking the real life rafts in the US are the states, communities, churches and neighborhoods. The life rafts exist, and we need to get them ready. This country can be saved.

[MHGinTN]

I will agree, this country can be saved. I’m very depressed though at the current state of the nation, swallowing obama koolaid and begging for more. Our nation has become so dependent upon living on credit that those lending the money (read the federal reserve system) are the ruler in the larger scale of reality. There comes a point of depth in debt which makes it impossible to get out of the slavery of debt without a life-line ... and the big machine is just about finished constructing the life-line we the people will not be able to refuse else we see our nation utterly ended in the chaos of civil war. 2010 may be the last chance we get to stop the plummet we are now on.

[Noumenon]

I think that your take on this is essentially correct, perhaps not in all the details and motivations - many of whaich we cannot know. I agree with you in that that it is their intention to destroy this country. You cannot rule a free and prosperous people. You must first kill many if not most of them, impoverish the rest and keep them permanently on their knees. So I can reduce the motives and the goal of our would-be minders further to O'Brien's reply to Smith in Orwell's 1984.

Power. Absolute power. This is the goal of the elites who despise us precisely because we are free and not subject to their bidding. Communism, totalitarianism, etc are merely the means to an end. Power is the name of the game. Orwell understood that mentality perfectly:

"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power.

Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power.

What pure power means you will understand presently.

We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites.

The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods,but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it.

Power is not a means; it is an end.

One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.

The object of persecution is persecution.
The object of torture is torture.
The object of power is power".

-George Orwell - 1984

That's who we're dealing with, and there's only one way this can end. I've revised my Fourth of July 2009 Tea Party Speech to go into a little more detail on this very subject. The problem is that many of our basic premises concerning the nature of jsut whom we're dealing are wrong. We're dealing with monsters, with monsters whose pedigree of ideas encompass the slaughter and impoverishment of hundreds of millions in the last century. They show no sign of stopping in this one. And as I say, there is only ONE way this can end.

[MHGinTN]

“Conservatism in America has been the thorn in world Socialism’s side for years ...” It does US no good to ignore the realities of we the people. ‘Socialism’ is not the issue. Power to rule the entire globae is the point of the lesson. We in America have willingly bent our knee to the holders of our debt, by taking the dollars they offered. Those dollars were pure fabrications, not real asset based money. If this nation fails, it will be because we the people strapped on the bands of our own enslavement. I don’t see that we are yet addressing the breaking of those bands. Kennedy sought to do so, with the silver certificate approach to ending federal reserve fabrication of money. Soon, a different fabrication system will be the last resort for America to remain in what we will mistakenly think is sovereignty. When we exchange dollars for ‘quatloos’ we will have ended our chance to remain a Free Republic ... we’re not much a free republic any more, anyway. We are too indebted already, and being plunged even deeper into debt, without removing the bastards voting these deadly debts into place! More than 50% of the populace have not a clue what is happening. You cannot expect the clueless to resist the crafty.

[pallis]

“2010 may be the last chance we get to stop the plummet we are now on.”

I agree that 2010 is it. Either we turn the tide then, or get washed away in the muck. My point in the previous thread supposes the latter, but it is relevant either way. The strength of this nation that we need to recognize and utilize are the states (organizationally speaking). Even if the ship is sinking, the states can be our lifeboats, maybe at a much more basic level than we care to imagine, but eventually truth is going to prevail. There are still a lot of strong, free and decent people in this country.