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Baguette Dropped From Bird's Beak Shuts Down The Large Hadron Collider (Really)
PopSci ^ | 11/05/09 | Stuart Fox

Posted on 11/05/2009 4:31:31 PM PST by LibWhacker

The Large Hadron Collider, the world's most powerful particle accelerator, just cannot catch a break. First, a coolant leak destroyed some of the magnets that guide the energy beam. Then LHC officials postponed the restart of the machine to add additional safety features. Now, a bird dropping a piece of bread on a section of the accelerator has, according to the Register, shut down the whole operation.

The bird dropped some bread on a section of outdoor machinery, eventually leading to significant over heating in parts of the accelerator. The LHC was not operational at the time of the incident, but the spike produced so much heat that had the beam been on, automatic failsafes would have shut down the machine.

This incident won't delay the reactivation of the facility later this month, but exposes yet another vulnerability of the what might be the most complex machine ever built. With freak accident after freak accident piling up over at CERN, the idea of time traveling particles returning from the future to prevent their own discovery is beginning to seem less and less far fetched.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: baguette; bird; collider; hadron; lhc; napl; science; stringtheory
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To: Slings and Arrows
So it's the world's most powerful particle accelerator and (presumably) cost billions .... and it can't stand up to .... birdies???


21 posted on 11/05/2009 6:36:41 PM PST by PERKY2004 (Proud Military Wife -- Please pray for our troops!)
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22 posted on 11/05/2009 6:40:12 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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To: AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; Las Vegas Dave; ...

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23 posted on 11/05/2009 7:01:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Slings and Arrows
ROFL!!!


24 posted on 11/05/2009 7:12:20 PM PST by PERKY2004 (Proud Military Wife -- Please pray for our troops!)
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To: LibWhacker

Well, a baguette is shaped like a large...

Oh. “Hadron.”

Nevermind.


25 posted on 11/05/2009 7:30:32 PM PST by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: PERKY2004

LOL!

LOLbirds. Who knew?


26 posted on 11/05/2009 8:07:43 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom." --Charles Krauthammer)
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To: Boogieman
...these black holes, if created, probably wouldn’t actually suck up our entire planet. I guess that is reassuring.

It's good to know that our current black hole, aka Washington D.C., won't be lonely once it has some microscopic company.

27 posted on 11/06/2009 12:14:27 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: La Lydia
Messages and warnings from the Universe...
yes
28 posted on 11/06/2009 3:37:48 AM PST by samtheman
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To: nomorelurker
Something like that.
29 posted on 11/06/2009 4:21:35 AM PST by Paradox (ObamaCare = Logan's Run ; There is no Sanctuary!)
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To: Rockingham

No doubt. What a great thread,me and the wife had some good laughs at the expense of this “machine”!


30 posted on 11/06/2009 5:15:28 AM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: LibWhacker
These things are incredibly finicky. I've used a lot of apparatus in my career, accelerators, reactors, NMR, laser ablation, mass spec, et al. Of them all, accelerators gave me the most headaches for things going wrong at the worst times.
31 posted on 11/06/2009 5:21:25 AM PST by chimera
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To: SunkenCiv
I've used the term “junk” with regards to this thing many times in the past. The competing international contractors being my main reason. The reality of even the best design being subjected to this much nepotism and shear waste actually functioning seems far-fetched to me. I've got a few emails to send out. :)
32 posted on 11/06/2009 5:52:50 AM PST by allmost
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To: Slings and Arrows; Revolting cat!

Hadron, we haz a problem!


33 posted on 11/06/2009 8:31:25 AM PST by a fool in paradise (I refuse to "reduce my carbon footprint" all while Lenin remains in an airconditioned shrine)
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To: chimera

You are right. Accelerators are probably the most challenging machines ever built by man, incluing reactors and moon-rockets and war machines.

I could give people here some some comparisons to give ideas of what type of vacuum, electronic, remote controls, magnet, heat loading, mechanical specifications, plumbing, monitoring, electrical stability, safety interlocks, number of components and miles of wire, massive computer programming, materials, radiation damages, etc.

However, I’ll limit to two examples:

The heat loading on components we had to deal with at the accelerator I worked at ranged up to 100watts/sq.mm. (Have you ever burned yourself on the 30,000mm3 surface of a 100watt light bulb?-— imagine having to deal with heat loading 30,000 times that heat.). Fortunately, most areas the heat loading was much more managable.

Second: the vacuums needed require that each and every joint and weld in these machine pass “leak tests” so stringent that it would take over 1000 years for a liter of air to make its way through the joint. A single fingerprint on the inner wall will corrupt the vacuum such that the machine would be useless for six months while it evaporates. The vacuum pumps used to maintain the vacuum can’t even be turned on until the pressure is one-ten-millionth of an Earth’s atmosphere.


34 posted on 11/06/2009 3:10:49 PM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: allmost

My guess is, the machine is a turkey. My previous take on it remains, which is, there’s no way to reproduce the results of any experiment run on the thing, because there is no other machine that can do what this thing can (well, can’t) do. :’)


35 posted on 11/06/2009 3:15:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: AFPhys
A single fingerprint

That's why God gave us nitrile gloves.

36 posted on 11/06/2009 3:18:28 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: kickonly88
Joseph “a gentleman doesn’t go motoring about after dark” Lucas

I saw someone wearing a tee-shirt with that quote at a British car show recently. The shirt described Lucas as The Prince of Darkness.

37 posted on 11/06/2009 3:20:37 PM PST by Bob
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To: AFPhys
The vacuum systems on the ones I worked on drove me nuts. I can remember disassembling and cleaning diffusion pumps at very early hours in the morning. Minor outgassing (no such thing really as “minor” outgassing, it was all a major hassle) would ruin an entire beamline and a dozen or so experiments running off of it. Just mounting an experiment took years of planning and months of work. We'd get quadrillions of events and maybe a few of significance. Back in the day there'd be miles of magtape just to record the events coming in on the data streams.
38 posted on 11/06/2009 5:41:27 PM PST by chimera
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To: Bob

Not only that,Do you know why the English drink warm beer? Because Lucas makes refrigerators,too.


39 posted on 11/06/2009 5:59:48 PM PST by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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To: La Lydia

I gotta say, it does give one pause!


40 posted on 11/08/2009 4:50:22 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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