Posted on 10/15/2009 2:58:49 PM PDT by rxsid
Joe says:
Gorefan - My heritage includes the Adams of Massachusetts and the Herndons of Virginia. The Adams papers I am in possession of plainly state they looked to "Vattel's Law of Nations" for guidance in determining who might be qualified as a "natural born Citizen". (Yes, they capitalized "Citizen".) Do you actually believe there was no discussion of the topic by the Founding Fathers? Are you truly that ignorant of how well the Founding Fathers understood the law and its possible impact on future generations? It is very clear you haven't a clue how well educated and intelligent the Founding Fathers were. Most were conversant in Latin and Greek, plus Hebrew and Aramaic.
October 14, 10:48 PM
Joe says:
My family is in possession of over seven thousand files of Adams documents that have been passed from generation to generation. We know what our forebears intended, we are not guessing and jumping to conclusions. Every possible legal scenario was thoroughly discussed and carefully decided by the Founding Fathers. Contrary to prevailing opinion, they left NOTHING to chance. I will be sharing our documents with the best qualified attorneys working on the Obama eligibility cases. Get used to it, Obama is finished and he knows it. Obama is knowingly leading his blinded followers down the paths of deceit and directly into the darkened halls of shame.
October 14, 11:00 PM
Joe says:
My family also counts among our forebears King O'Leathlobhair (pronounced OWE LAL_OW_IR), who was ruler of all England in the third century A.D. The name O'Leathlobhair means "seeker of justice" and it is the original term from which the word "lawyer" was derived around the year 100 B.C. We've been well known as meticulous practitioners of the law since before the birth of Christ. In that time, I believe we have acquired a rather firm grasp of the basic ideas of how laws are to be properly formulated and administered. Obama shall not be allowed to continue to illegally retain the office of president.
October 14, 11:53 PM
"John says:
The Adams papers I am in possession of plainly state they looked to "Vattel's Law of Nations" for guidance in determining who might be qualified as a "natural born Citizen"."Joe - Please tell me you're kidding
October 15, 12:07 AM
Joe says:
John - This is an extremely serious matter, I do not "kid" about such issues.
October 15, 12:08 AM
Joe says:
My family and others have quietly observed and awaited the full winnowing of the wheat from the chaff in the legal matter of Obama's lack of eligibility. We are now preparing to act in unison to see that the law is enforced. The subject of "natural born Citizen" has never before been at issue during the term of a sitting president. The matter shall be decided fairly and equitably from information contained within very clear and meet and proper archived resources. The Lees of Virginia and other families also possess within their private archives a great deal of documentation regarding the intent of the Founding Fathers. Those who believe this issue was not debated and decided long ago haven't been previously afforded access to the existing documents.
October 15, 12:29 AM
John says:
Joe - I've been researching this subject for a year. Trust me, I know exactly how serious this is. I'd like to talk to you more but offline. If you're interested, email me at theoriginalist@rocketmail.com
October 15, 12:46 AM
Joe says:
The trump cards are face-up on the table for all to see. The "natural born Citizen" issue is neither mysterious, nor undecided. Always remember : Only patience, wisdom, and forebearance bring justice, the law shall not be hastened to conclusion. I must now depart. At noon today, a real estate closing demands my attention. I bid you all a good evening and may God bless America.
October 15, 12:52 AM
Joe says:
John - I shall contact you later today. Thank you for researching the issue and rest assured many families hold information that will prove vitally important to serious practitioners of the law.
October 15, 12:57 AM
Before The Doomsday Book it was very difficult to trace parentage for more than a few generations. Going as far back as the 3rd century is a STRETCH!
...ok, OK. Sarah PALIN!
Cheers!
Blackstone took no view on 'Natural Born Citizen'. He wrote about Natural Born SUBJECT.
As far as ancient "warrior kings" of Ireland, my own surname has legendary origins with such a king, in Co. Wicklow. But, it's just that, legendary. No proven line. No way whatsoever to prove it.
Sounds like somebody's been watching too much The Seeker.
God...please let it be true! It’s time to remove the usurper and his band of commie thugs from their seats of power before they destroy this country utterly.
IMPEACH!!
You kiddin me?
If this is true, he’s toast.
No judge in the country would dare throw out evidence from the founders.
He’d be hanging from a lampost by midnight.
On December 9th of 1775, Franklin wrote to Vattel’s editor, C.G.F. Dumas, “ I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting. Accordingly, that copy which I kept has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author.”
Links?
References?
Footnotes?
Can’t go in to a court of law and just shoot from the hip...
Thanks for the history ping. Somebody needs to hit the gas on the wheels of justice! MAKE the poseur in the WH show his cards.
Here you go:
The Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence of the United States, ed. under direction of Congress by Wharton, II, 64
Bump Dat...
See the source at the bottom of page 266.
Thanks.
Will review.
I wonder how much of the notes and private papers there are out there.
Not that it hasn't been tried...
I think the AFTER-birthers are in for a very bad next few weeks.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
LET ALL TRAITORS AND DESTOYERS FALL IN THEIR OWN PIT.
LET ALL SHAMEFUL TRAITORS AND DESTOYERS BEAR MAXIMUM PENALTY AND MAXIMUM SHAME.
LET ALL TRATITORS AND DESTROYERS BE NEUTERED IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE that they no longer plague decent people in the land of the living and those yearning for freedom and justice.
BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
In my opinion, we are FROZEN in the time between the certification of electoral college votes by Congress and the "qualification" to Congress by the "President elect". This, unless there in fact has been a legitimate "qualification" which we the people have not been shown. If there has been no qualification to Congress, we do not have a legal President and the Congress would be commanded by the Constituion to follow the rules of Section three of the Twentieth amendment:
"”3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”
Whats quite interesting in this scenario is the fact that Congress would be admitting to the nation that THEY were complicit in allowing a usurper into the oval office by NOT following the instructions of section three when they were SUPPOSED to. Hang em all if this is the case.
ME! I am NBC and can prove it 10 ways to Sunday.
Plus I Love America, Christmas, Apple Pie, Coca Cola and Baseball.
I throw right hand and straight down the middle. It’s only 60 or so feet and then off to the hot dog stand.
Oh! No pants from Mom. She wouldn’t let me look like a dork anyway.
Kind of like Orly's famous Kenyan birth certificates? The Adams papers are owned by the Massachusetts Historical Society and are available for scholars. And in any case, John Adams played no part in the creation of the Constitution.
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