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Roll over your IRA, 401(k), 403(b), or lump sum pension payment into an annuity tax-free.
Me | October 14, 2009 | myself

Posted on 10/14/2009 3:37:42 PM PDT by unique

Has anyone here completed the transfer as noted above, e.g. transferred their 401K or 403b funds to an annuity with an insurance company, avoiding tax?

If yes, I would think that doing that now would be bad timing, given the low rate environment, correct?

Any thoughts on this subject would be appreciated.

I'm starting to look into options - thinking - fixed-rate for life - joint lives annuity.


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To: Choose Ye This Day
If anyone is suggesting you can avoid taxes altogether, they are lying or stoned.

or Charlie Rangel...........

21 posted on 10/14/2009 4:29:05 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: unique
One of the few values of an annuity is that it can be a method of deferring taxes. Your 401K is already tax deferred. It makes no sense to me to incur all of the very high commission costs of an annuity when your 401K is already tax deferred.
22 posted on 10/14/2009 4:44:49 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: unique

Ping!


23 posted on 10/14/2009 5:11:42 PM PDT by folkquest
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To: raybbr

You would have made more money if you hadn’t gone to cash in June.

You can’t go to another 401k unless you are employed or self-employed. You can roll it to an Individual Retirement Account. Depending on where you roll it, you can have a diversified portfolio of funds or low-cost ETFs, in a variety of stocks, bonds, commodities, real estate, etc.


24 posted on 10/14/2009 5:31:37 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (No + Chavez)
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To: norwaypinesavage

The OP mentioned a fixed annuity. There are no high fees on a fixed annuity. You may be thinking of a variable annuity, which are notorious for high fees.


25 posted on 10/14/2009 5:35:30 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (No + Chavez)
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To: raybbr

No need to go off on me. I just wanted to let you know that you can’t just deposit funds into a 401(k). Believe me, I won’t bring it up again. You obviously know all about it.


26 posted on 10/14/2009 5:46:34 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Apparently I'm a racist.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day
You would have made more money if you hadn’t gone to cash in June.

True. I actually had talked to a guy about the rollover in early May. I was so afraid of what Obama was trying to do then I didn't think the market would go anywhere. I am still trying to figure out what people are "investing" in.

27 posted on 10/14/2009 5:58:01 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: clintonh8r
No need to go off on me. I just wanted to let you know that you can’t just deposit funds into a 401(k). Believe me, I won’t bring it up again. You obviously know all about it.

Sorry. A little touchy today. I do know what the rules are. Thanks for trying. (:^0

28 posted on 10/14/2009 5:59:13 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: raybbr

Apology accepted. I’m unemployed too, so I know a little about what you’re going through. Keep the faith and good luck.


29 posted on 10/14/2009 6:01:21 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Apparently I'm a racist.)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

‘unique’ stated “an annuity with an insurance company”. This almost always involves commissions and fees, as well as profits to the insurance company.


30 posted on 10/14/2009 6:29:48 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Global Warming Theory is extremely robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Unique also said “fixed-rate for life - joint lives annuity.”

That’s a fixed annuity. You don’t pay a commission or fees on a fixed annuity. The insurance company pays the commission to the agent. Fixed annuities are quite a bit different than variable annuities.

I know this stuff. I’ve been involved with annuities and insurance companies for 15 years.


31 posted on 10/14/2009 6:40:17 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (No + Chavez)
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To: unique

Cash in, buy lottery tickets.


32 posted on 10/14/2009 6:52:26 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

I moved some of my IRA money from a Ginny May fund to an annuity. I was going to put it in laddered CDs just to preserve the principal while earning a small return. I put it in the annuity instead of CDs. I still preserve my principal against losses if rates spike, but will also earn higher interest if rates do go up. My rates adjust each year but can’t go lower than where they started. State Farm payed all its obligations throughout the Great Depression so I feel the investment is as safe as moist. I realize I already had tax deferral in the old IRA, but I still have it with a floor under my principal but no cap on rate increases. I think it is a great place for half the fixed income portion of my retirement funds.


33 posted on 10/14/2009 6:59:59 PM PDT by csmusaret (Obama. The master of Jack, Squat, and the Nobel committee.)
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To: raybbr

Don’t remove your money from the 401 unless you roll it over into an IRA. You can keep in in money market if you like but I suggest you put it in either a treasury money market or in FDIC money market. There are other options later but you should protect your principal first.


34 posted on 10/14/2009 7:48:47 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: unique

Principal guaranteed anuities usually require you to renew your annuity after 10 years and then again every 10 years. Be careful that this is what you want to do before signing on the dotted line.


35 posted on 10/14/2009 7:51:12 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: raybbr

The way your post is phrased, you are not a sophisicated financial investor. Nearly all financial advisors are salemen or women first and fiduciaries second (or third). Trust is critical.

I know advisors who sell only anuities and believe in them completely. There are others (like me) who wouldn’t touch them with a 10 ft poll.

You are looking for someone who is not committed to one asset allocation but professes to preserve and grow captial in both bull and bear markets.

They don’t have to be the most perfect market timers but if they can preserve your capital during the coming massive market pullback, then they will have earned their fee.

Good luck. Everyone will need it.


36 posted on 10/14/2009 8:08:29 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: screaminsunshine

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.


37 posted on 10/14/2009 8:11:10 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: spectre

Right. Right. Right.


38 posted on 10/14/2009 8:12:15 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: Sunshine Sister

There are other choises.


39 posted on 10/14/2009 8:13:31 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: andy58-in-nh

Accurate info. BUT there is a lot more to the equation.


40 posted on 10/14/2009 8:15:12 PM PDT by VA Voter
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