Posted on 10/02/2009 3:35:27 PM PDT by MissTickly
President Obama's original birth certificate was "record in accordance with state policies and procedures," but his vital records were "maintained on file."
Oct,31, 2008: “...Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures..."
July 27, 2009: "“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
July 27, 2009, I asked this question of the Hawaiian DoH: "Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama's AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
A careful parsing of words seems necessary because one COLB can say this: "Filed by Registrar" While another can say this: "Accepted by Registrar" Despite what you read online, or see presented by anonymous people that you've never met and you don't know-Hawaii must explain what this means. It's a procedural question that I cannot get an answer to. Why?
The last I communicated to Dr. Fukino, on October 1st, I wrote her the following, and she has not responded to correct any mischaracterizations. Please take note of that:
Dr. Fukino--
Per your press release statement on July 27, 2009, are you telling us that, in part, you saw "vital records" that include some kind of a representation of a stated "filed" and threfore pending application for an amended/corrected Birth Certificate (it was on file, not on record) and evidence filed to support an amendment/correction, but that evidence was still pending approval on July 27, 2009? I am sorry for the characterizations I give in lieu of knowing the legal jargon. Please correct me if I have mischaracterized anything.
I am finally realizing I really need to understand what 'on file' and 'filed with the registrar' means compared to "accepted by registrar" and "on record." Can you help me understand or direct me to one of your staff for explanation? If you don't already know--a woman has presented her own "filed with registrar" type COLB that she asserta represents a normal, indexed-at-birth, run of the mill Hawaiian birth certificate to natural parents with all information in pristine, original condition.
Is that possible? Should a record like I just described typically say "Accepted by Registrar?"
I have requested from the AG library archive, the opinion letter that I believe sets out the procedures for filing an application for an amended birth certificate. But I have not received it yet. If the DoH is able to provide a copy--please do.
If you meant for people to understand you in July, and if I am understanding things correctly without having the necessary AG letter. Woman, I seriously underestimated you. I want people like you working for government.
I don't know what you can answer that I just asked, if anything. But, if you can correct any mischaracterizations about policy and procedure--please do.
I am giving pause to all of this. You have been very candid, I believe. I just was too blind to see that you put it all out there for anyone paying attention. You've been as fair as can be to BOTH sides of this issue from what I can discern.
Thank you. T.
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And I brought my question from July 27, 2009 full circle:
Aloha Dr. Fukino,
Please use THIS version of my questions. So very sorry--I am struggling with the difference between the words "on file" and "on record." I am going to go with "on record." I realize I might have to resubmit at some point with the "on file" language.
If you would please answer the following questions for me per your statement on July 27, 2009:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
On July 27, 2009 per your issued statement, did you personally verify that the "vital records" you saw were NOT maintained on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?
On July 27, 2009 per your issued statement, did the Registrar of Vital Statistics personally see and verify that the "vital records" you saw were NOT maintained on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?
Thank you for your continued patience on this issue. If you would please answer the two questions above separately--that would be ideal. I am afraid that a blending of the answers will muddy your efforts to be forthcoming with the public. If you have already been forthcoming--that effort should be recognized and not distorted.
Sincerely, T.
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CONCLUSIONS? Was the President's Natural Born Citizenship verified with a long form birth certificate, an application to amend his birth place and insufficient pending evidence of that amendment? On July 28th, did Congress sell us out with a Resolution that declared that President Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961?
Did Congress provide the 'evidence' to amend the President's Birth Place.
Get answers from Hawaii. If need be, get answers from Congress.
Thanks for letting me post here FR.=)
I think we do need to unearth the paper. Fukino’s replies are inconclusive for any practical purpose (like getting Barry out of office), but they are excellent clues.
For some reason, Stanley Ann doesn’t strike me as a “paperwork” type. I doubt they were even married.
I think Obama is a US Citizen and maybe a “NATIVE BORN” Citizen but that does not make Obama a “NATURAL BORN” Citizen. If Obama, Sr. had been a US Citizen or a US Green Card holder Bambi would most likely be in the clear. Obama, Sr. only had a STUDENT Visa and passed on British Citizenship, at best, to Obama, Jr.
As far as I know, Kenyan expires at 18 and British stays until there is a request for the removal from the British Citizenship rolls.
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could it possibly be pending if obama ran to HI to take care of business instead of visiting “toot”?
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So he’s been rude to Brown. Maybe Brown has access to certain docs in Britain?
Then let’s have them clarify the language. In context of another bc online even.
Divorce records have been published for Stanley Ann v Obama and Stanley Ann v Soetoro.
Such a comment shows why there is so much confusion about this. There are ONLY two ways to be a US citizen: one is NATURALIZED or one is NATURAL BORN. That is it. Nothing else grants citizenship.
It is not even clear that he is a citizen at all. He was NOT naturalized so if not natural born then he is NOT even a citizen.
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I’m under the impression that Barry Soetoro was known as such beyond the age of majority (and continued to regard himself as an Indonesian citizen for some time). Is that still his legal name? Did he ever change it legally? (Did he have to?) I wonder! Are there any lawyers reading this thread who could comment?
I saw that, but there has never been a marriage certificate that has popped up.
That would be sweet!
She wasn’t zotted. Things got a little heated on another post and slightly out of control but, we asked that she hang around.
If she was carrying lighter fluid she needed to expect a few burns.
I think that was another line on Barry’s status. Whether he received college funds based on Indonesian citizenship.
I’m the same age as Barry. I didn’t go to college in California. I went to college in AZ. Here in AZ there were NO SUCH THINGS AS STUDENT LOANS. You got a scholarship or some kind of financial aid (income/ethnic status). That’s it.
I don’t know how Barry got student loans for Occidental unless gramps and toot, took out a general loan from the bank and gave him the money for tuition.
That was one of the rumours at the time but it is hard to see what he could have added to make the issue go away other than blatent forgery.
Glad she’s still around. I saw those lightning bolts and feared the worst! LOL
I have been following your work via Leo’s reports and I am highly impressed.
Thank you for all of your hard work.
I’m all for clarification wrt Urkle’s history it is more mysterious and hidden than the continent of Atlantis.
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