NAZIS CONCENTRATE FORCES IN WEST (9/21/39)

Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 9/21/39 | G.H. Archambault, Turner Catledge, Henry N. Dorris

[Homer_J_Simpson]

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[PzLdr]

One of the things you may find interesting is Heydrich. Kind of like a puzzle that never quite fits. Father was a music teacher. Heydrich was a very competent violinist. Spoke or read something like seven languages [to varying degrees]. World class fencer. Flew fighter planes for the Luftwaffe in Norway and Russia [shot down in the U.S.S.R].

Yet, he was cashiered from the German Navy for refusing to marry a young woman he compromised, and seeking to lay the blame on her. Meteoric rise in the SS, because Himmler thought he was a former intelligence officer in the Navy when he'd been a signals officer. Seems to have been absolutely amoral. Planned thwe Final Solution, ran the Wansee Conference in less than two and a half hours, largely brought the Czechs to heel. Complemented Himmler to a tee. But it seems to come out of nowhere.

[dfwgator]

Heydrich also had to constantly fight off rumors of Jewish ancestry. There were many, including his replacement, Kaltenbruner, who did not shed a tear over his assassination.

[PzLdr]

Sepp Dietrich declaimed, “So, now that sow’s gone to the butcher.”

[PAR35]

The great thing about these threads is their self-correcting nature.

While we're at it, let's go ahead then and refute the British propaganda that they had captured the Bremen and interned the crew. The ship made it safely back to Germany (by a round-about course)

[Homer_J_Simpson]

While we're at it, let's go ahead then and refute the British propaganda that they had captured the Bremen and interned the crew.

Too late. That one has already gone to press. I was thinking more about new (alleged) errors that find their way into replies. And I should probably leave this topic alone before I get myself in trouble.

[CougarGA7]

That’s very interesting. It’s amazing the motley crew that Hitler managed to assemble around him. Himmler was a chicken farmer if I remember correctly. Even back in the SA days we had Rohm who was a thug, former WWI captain, and a homosexual. Ironically the only thing that seems to fit with Heydrich is that he does not fit. Thanks for the source material by the way.

[PAR35]

I’m in the ‘not yet’ camp on the other debate. Even at this point, the Nazis were allowing Jews, mainly from Austria - to make the run down the Danube to try to reach Palestine. And the British were still tying up warships in the eastern Med to try to block them.

Madagascar and Guyana were off the table as practical solutions by this point, and some of the leaders had probably concluded that there would be only one possible solution, but Shirer is reaching if he’s trying to show that it was policy at this point.

[GeronL]

Thats a lot of letters to the editor for a Thursday. I guess the war was bound to cause papers to do stuff like that.

[BroJoeK]

"My understanding is that Final Solution was not even a concept until the Wansee Conference in 1942."

Quoting Browning again:

"Poland was thus destined to become a "laboratory" for Nazi experimentation in racial imperialism, an area where they tried to turn into reality ideological slogans such as:

• Lebensraum -- livingspace
• Volkstumskampf --ethnic or racial struggle
• Flurbereinigung -- a basic or comprehensive cleansing
• Endlosung der Judenfrage -- Final Solution to the Jewish question

"This would involve much trial and error, for the slogans were not explicit, their meanings were not self-evident, and often the need to choose priorities and make pragmatic compromises forced delays and modification in the Nazis' "realization of Utopia."

To this particular list we might add some other words, like:

• volkstumliche Ausrottung -- ethnic extermination
• vernichtung -- destruction, extermination
• Teufelswerk -- devils' work

[BroJoeK]

"As an aside, I’m looking for any scholarly references on the Dec 4th 1941 leak of the Rainbow 5 plan to the Chicago Tribune. If you have any good sources on that let me know."

From Persico's "Roosevelt's Secret War":

(p 132)"On the evening of December 3, Senator Burton K. Wheeler [Dem. Montana] received a surprise visit from an unidentified officer in the Army's War Plans Division. The officer had with him a copy of the Rainbow five plan. "Aren't you afraid of delivering the most secret document in America to a senator?" Wheeler is supposed to have asked. His visitor was unfazed, replying that Congress had "a right to know what's really going on in the executive branch when it concerns human lives."

"The next day, Wheeler leaked the Rainbow Five plan to Chesley Manly, the Washington correspondent of FDR's fiercest journalistic critic, the Chicago Tribune."

[BroJoeK]

quoting FDR: "Repeal of the embargo and a return to international law are the crux of this issue."

Say wha'?

Here's how Wiki describes it:

"Early in 1939, after Nazi Germany had invaded Czechoslovakia, Roosevelt lobbied Congress to have the cash and carry provision renewed. He was rebuffed, the provision lapsed, and the mandatory arms embargo remained in place.

"In September, after Germany had invaded Poland and Great Britain and France had subsequently declared war on Germany, Roosevelt invoked the provisions of the Neutrality Act but came before Congress and lamented that the Neutrality Acts may give passive aid to an aggressor.[6]

"He prevailed over the isolationists and on November 4th the Neutrality Act of 1939 was passed, allowing for arms trade with belligerent nations on a cash and carry basis, thus in effect ending the arms embargo. Furthermore, American ships were barred from entering war zones designated by the President."

[Homer_J_Simpson]

“WJSV Complete Broadcast Day on September 21, 1939”

CougarGA7 posted a couple of archived radio broadcasts elsewhere on this thread.

[MaryFromMichigan]

CougarGA7 posted a couple of archived radio broadcasts elsewhere on this thread.

CougarGA7 of the "Are We Dead Yet?" Ping List?
And I thought my long defunct "Conservatives With Cojones" was a low volume list! :)

[CougarGA7]

It’s gotten real low of late. It’s all even gotten too absurd for the ping list.

[sayuncledave]

A belated addition: one of the truest of treasures for Old Time Radio buffs, such as myself. The entire day's output for September 21, 1939, from WJSV in Washington, D.C., was recorded, via transcription disks, from 6:00am to 1:00am. Everything from commercials, to soaps and a great ballgame, to the reason for the transcription: FDR gave a speech to a special session of Congress, in favor of a repeal of the Neutrality Act. The news is nothing short of awesome, and I wish there were more like this. Here's the complete schedule for the day:

Broadcast Schedule
WJSV Washington, D.C.
Thursday, September 21st, 1939

From: 05:59-06:30 -- Sign On and Sundial - Recorded Music
From: 06:30-07:00 -- Sundial - Arthur Godfrey
From: 07:00-07:30 -- Sundial - Arthur Godfrey
From: 07:30-08:00 -- Sundial - Arthur Godfrey
From: 08:00-08:05 -- Arrow News
From: 08:05-08:30 -- Sundial - Arthur Godfrey
From: 08:30-08:45 -- Certified Magic Carpet
From: 08:45-09:00 -- Bachelor's Children
From: 09:00-09:15 -- Pretty Kitty Kelly
From: 09:15-09:30 -- Myrt And Marge
From: 09:30-09:45 -- Hilltop House
From: 09:45-10:00 -- Kay Fairchild, Stepmother
From: 10:00-10:15 -- CBS News and Mary Lee Taylor Program
From: 10:15-10:30 -- Brenda Curtis
From: 10:30-10:45 -- Big Sister
From: 10:45-11:00 -- Aunt Jenny's Real Life Stories
From: 11:00-11:15 -- Jean Abbey
From: 11:15-11:30 -- When A Girl Marries
From: 11:30-11:45 -- The Romance Of Helen Trent
From: 11:45-12:00 -- Our Gal Sunday
From: 12:00-12:15 -- The Goldbergs
From: 12:15-12:30 -- Life Can Be Beautiful
From: 12:30-12:45 -- Road Of Life
From: 12:45-13:00 -- This Day Is Ours
From: 13:00-13:15 -- Sunshine Report
From: 13:15-13:30 -- The Life And Love Of Dr. Susan
From: 13:30-13:45 -- Your Family And Mine
From: 13:45-14:00 -- News Followed By Albert Warner
From: 14:00-15:00 -- President's Address followed by Premier Daladier
From: 15:00-15:10 -- Commentary & Analysis On The President's Address
From: 15:10-15:25 -- The Career Of Alice Blair
From: 15:25-15:30 -- Arrow News
From: 15:30-15:45 -- Rhythm & Romance
From: 15:45-16:00 -- Scattergood Baines
From: 16:00-17:17 -- Baseball - Cleveland at Washington
From: 17:17-17:30 -- The World Dances
From: 17:30-17:45 -- Arrow News followed by Time Out
From: 17:45-18:00 -- Sports With Harry McTigue
From: 18:00-18:15 -- Amos 'n' Andy
From: 18:15-18:30 -- The Parker Family
From: 18:30-19:00 -- Joe E. Brown
From: 19:00-19:30 -- Ask-It Basket
From: 19:30-19:55 -- Strange As It Seems
From: 19:55-20:00 -- Elmer Davis And The News
From: 20:00-21:00 -- Major Bowes and his Original Amateur Hour
From: 21:00-21:30 -- The Columbia Workshop
From: 21:30-22:00 -- Americans At Work
From: 22:00-22:15 -- Arrow News & Edwin C. Hill Commentary
From: 22:15-22:30 -- Streamline Interlude
From: 22:30-22:45 -- The Midweek Review With Albert Warner
From: 22:45-23:21 -- Repeat of FDR Speech
From: 23:21-23:30 -- Jerry Livingstone & His Orchestra
From: 23:30-24:00 -- Teddy Powell Orchestra
From: 00:00-00:30 -- Louis Prima Orchestra
From: 00:30-01:02 -- Bob Chester Orchestra, News & Signoff

This one day made me a fan of OTR for life. May it be as joyful for all of you, my FRiends. http://www.archive.org/details/OTRR_WJSV_Complete_Day_Singles