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Any Freepers who own solar panels or co-gen?
None ^ | 16 Sept 2009 | self

Posted on 09/16/2009 8:55:30 AM PDT by taxcontrol

I'm looking at my electrical bill and was wondering if it might be worthwhile for me to investigate either solar or natural gas co-generation systems to reduce the monthly bill. Are there any freepers who have walked this path and can give advice?

I live in Colorado where NG is locally produced and relatively cheap and I get 6 hrs of sunlight per day on average.


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KEYWORDS: gas; natural; panels; solar
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To: JRandomFreeper

How many panel manufacturers have been in business for 25 years?


21 posted on 09/16/2009 9:19:57 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: chrisser

I am beginning to think that much of my electric bill is going for cooling not heating. I suspect that I need to have my system inspected at a minimum. Do you know of a good NG powered central air product that you would recommend? If solar / cogen is not really cost efficient, then perhaps I can replace my central AC and cut back on the bill some.


22 posted on 09/16/2009 9:21:21 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: the long march

On the first hand there is no electricity so I have little choice.

On the other hand there are no long marches there either which is a special double bonus.


23 posted on 09/16/2009 9:22:19 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: MamaDearest

My solar water heater and PV panels are very sturdy. The solar pool heater was not. Two other neighbors with solar pool heaters also suffered the same fate.


24 posted on 09/16/2009 9:22:57 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: taxcontrol
What NN said. I have two 4X8 hot water solar panels and am also in Colorado. I figured the solar panels will pay for themselves in 6-7 years not counting the 30% tax credit.

My electricity rate is 10.5 cents per kilowatt hour. Large solar projects are currently at 25 cents per kilowatt hour when the hardware cost is amortized over 20 years. Costs are coming down, but still far from ever recovering costs.

Here is a good article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaics

25 posted on 09/16/2009 9:26:02 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: taxcontrol

I’m not aware of any NG powered central air systems.

I don’t know exactly why that is. Perhaps ammonia absorption doesn’t scale up well, or there isn’t the demand.

You are right, though, that cooling would be a big electrical draw. Heating is comparatively easy to obtain from multiple sources.


26 posted on 09/16/2009 9:28:54 AM PDT by chrisser (Tweet not, lest ye a twit be.)
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To: taxcontrol
I have a 14 seer American standard AC/ heat-pump gas pack (propane) heat backup, for the downstairs, and a 15 seer AS AC heat-pump with electric heat back up, for the upstairs unit. The heat upstairs kicked in one last winter. The lower unit does a great job keeping the house warm in the winter. We do keep the house a bit warmer in the summer than most, and keep it cooler in the winter. I have a tank-less water heater, and love it, only heating the water we are using. Our gas bill is right at $1k a year, electric is about $1.2k most of the house is electric.

27 posted on 09/16/2009 9:36:27 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: chrisser
RUUD makes a gas AC unit. They did about 10 years ago anyway. Have not heard much about it, my neighbor had one, and I really didn’t look into it.
28 posted on 09/16/2009 9:38:45 AM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: WayneS

According to Joe Soucheray, Mayor of Garage Logic, Minnesota (www.am1500.com)...

C.I. (Cylinder Index) The total number of internal combustion cylinders in your possession. (vehicles, gas powered equipment, marine and aviation all qualify). If it is less than your age, move on to Euphoria.

Congratulations on your score!


29 posted on 09/16/2009 9:41:14 AM PDT by gnickgnack2 (QUESTION obama's AUTHORITY)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Kyocera has been in business for over 50 years. They aren't a fly-by-night company.

/johnny

30 posted on 09/16/2009 9:50:06 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: the long march
Look if solar or co generation were actually viable it wouldn’t need tax incentives and massive upfront investment to use

The same could be said for oil, electric, coal, nuclear, etc

31 posted on 09/16/2009 9:51:40 AM PDT by gdani (I just want to be left on this block of ice...)
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To: NautiNurse
"Solar water heater will pay for itself in ~5 years."

My solar hot water system installed in 1984 was beyond repair by 1990, and had still not recouped the installation costs. They are practical only in areas with 'soft' water.

"Solar pv panels will never recoup costs."

Depends. - In off-grid situations they re-coup in 3-4 years. We have a 1000 watt system at our ranch that has been running for ten years, and is still going strong with minimal maintenance costs. The original battery banks are still working at 100% of original capacity, requiring electrolyte replenishment twice per year.

Compared to the costs of running the generators, they save about $2000 per year. The only thing we need the generators for normally is running the wells.

32 posted on 09/16/2009 9:55:47 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: norton
"...A gas generator ... makes noise and eventually runs out of gas...not real good in an urban setting..."

Loud generators are a crime magnet. They declare to the world that you have your act together and have wealth. I live in Houston, and after Hurricane Ike the ghetto people swooped through our neighborhood and infested it like bugs. I am surprised more people did not get shot.

33 posted on 09/16/2009 9:58:34 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: chrisser

Gas ‘friges are ok if you’re not in a hot climate. - They are absolutely limited to a 40 degree differential to the ambient temp, making them ineffective when the temp holds at 90 degrees or above. - Large ones are even less effective.


34 posted on 09/16/2009 10:08:21 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yes, but many of them (if not most) will be in business for a decade or so and then disappear.


35 posted on 09/16/2009 10:09:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: taxcontrol

An absorption central cooling unit would have to be huge (400 S.F.?) and expensive.


36 posted on 09/16/2009 10:12:50 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Seruzawa

Same here at one of my farms in Indiana. For no more than I am at the property, a single 80 watt solar panel charging a bank of 4 batteries is wholly sufficient and far cheaper than extending a utility line and paying a monthly fee.


37 posted on 09/16/2009 10:13:37 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: editor-surveyor

My hot water tank is a heat exchanger type. The solar panels are a closed loop system with a 50/50% mix of water and glycol that should be good down to -25F outdoor temp. There is a secondary closed loop coil heated by the propane furnace (new high efficiency modulated output type rated at 95% efficiency) for backup HW heat and for primary house heat via baseboard HW radiant heat. The HW tank has a sacraficial magnesium anode to prevent corrosion to other parts of the system. I just got this system installed so I will be tracking propane usage and comparing to the old system that was leaking and falling apart. There are some off-grid systems here in the Colorado Rockies due to the cost per pole for the power companies to run power to remote, mountainous locations.


38 posted on 09/16/2009 10:14:21 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: MtnClimber

Exchangers that use a toxic medium (E Glycol) are illegal in most states.


39 posted on 09/16/2009 10:19:15 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: gnickgnack2

Cylinders?

That’d be about 59+/-. That’s more than my age, though.

What does it all mean?

;^)


40 posted on 09/16/2009 10:33:19 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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