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Connecticut Hotel Blames Victim for Rape (Mariott)
AP/AOL ^ | August 14, 2009

Posted on 08/15/2009 8:08:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

A Connecticut hotel where a woman was raped at gunpoint in front of her children says the victim was careless and negligent.

The papers filed last month in Superior Court by the Stamford Marriott Hotel & Spa say the victim "failed to exercise due care for her own safety and the safety of her children and proper use of her senses and facilities."

Prosecutors say Gary Fricker assaulted the woman in her minivan in the hotel's parking garage in front of her two children, then ages 3 and 5.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: blamethevictim; culture; hotel; mariott; rape; society
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Blame the victim.
1 posted on 08/15/2009 8:08:41 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

Is she trying to blame the hotel?


2 posted on 08/15/2009 8:11:06 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: greyfoxx39
Was the manager a taliban cleric?

In all seriousness, I will never patronize the Mariott ever again. I will take a crusty economy motel any day.

3 posted on 08/15/2009 8:12:15 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: greyfoxx39

Both sides are wrong. She should not be blaming the hotel and they should not be blaming her. As long as there is evil in the world there will be rapists who will find a way to do their deeds.


4 posted on 08/15/2009 8:12:22 AM PDT by oldvike
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"Is she trying to blame the hotel?"

Yes.

5 posted on 08/15/2009 8:13:50 AM PDT by oldvike
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To: greyfoxx39

Here’s some more detail. Apparently the guy had been lurking in their parking garage for a couple of days beforehand without the hotel taking any action:

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ci_13048639?IADID=Search-www.stamfordadvocate.com-www.stamfordadvocate.com


6 posted on 08/15/2009 8:16:25 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: oldvike

I think you are probably right, but I would sure like to hear more details about how this happened.


7 posted on 08/15/2009 8:16:51 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The hotel isn’t saying anything. This is their lawyers speaking, trying to reduce the amount of the judgement.
How about the assailants? Aren’t they the ones who have the blame and the responsibility for this?
Oh, I forgot. Assailants are almost always members of the “oppressed” class, but hotels are eeevvvviiiillll corporations with a lot of money.


8 posted on 08/15/2009 8:19:08 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: oldvike

The best defense against rape is awareness of your surroundings. I see women every day in parking lots walking too close to cars, talking on their cell phones, waiting to get right to their cars before digging for their keys. Cameras won’t protect you. Cops won’t get there in time. And even a gun is useless if you don’t see the guy coming.

I’m not blaming the victim for the rape. I’m blaming society for making her think that it’s the hotel’s fault just because it has deep pockets.


9 posted on 08/15/2009 8:19:29 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Question O-thority!)
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To: 9YearLurker
Here’s some more detail. Apparently the guy had been lurking in their parking garage for a couple of days beforehand without the hotel taking any action:

The link isn't working for me.

If the guy was known to have been hanging around like that and the hotel didn't deal with it, then, yes, the hotel bears a great deal of responsibility.

10 posted on 08/15/2009 8:19:29 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: greyfoxx39
the victim was careless and negligent.

I'd like to know on what grounds she was considered careless and negligent by the Stamford Marriott. The fact that she chose to stay at their hotel?
11 posted on 08/15/2009 8:19:36 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: greyfoxx39

There is no explanation as to what the hotel did. The hotel is not blaming the victim. They are defending themselves. If responsibility has to be assigned to one party, it would have to be the one who was actually there. Unless Marriott does something to encourage rapist to frequent their properties. Was there a rapist conference or convention being held there?


12 posted on 08/15/2009 8:20:05 AM PDT by all the best
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To: brytlea

Yikes, see post #6. I think I jumped to a conclusion I shouldn’t have. Sorry, but the original article was written like crap. This woman may actually have a case.


13 posted on 08/15/2009 8:20:30 AM PDT by oldvike
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To: greyfoxx39

Typical insurance defense attorney stuff. While everybody’s jumping on tort reform, the real abuse of the system comes from the defendant’s side. That is why insurance companies and banks don’t want 12 everyday Americans passing judgment on them.

parsy, who says this isn’t news at all to those who work with it.


14 posted on 08/15/2009 8:20:35 AM PDT by parsifal ("Where am I? How did I end up in this hospital room? What is my name?" Anonymous)
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To: oldvike
Both sides are wrong. She should not be blaming the hotel and they should not be blaming her.

I disagree. The woman is wrong. The Hotel is defending it’s self from an unwarranted attack.

I don’t know the woman’s background but no one should expect to be safe in a hotel parking garage unless you are paying $1000 a night for a hotel with securty. Even then you better keep an eye on the guards.

15 posted on 08/15/2009 8:21:27 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: 9YearLurker
The woman, identified in court papers only as Jane Doe, claims in the suit that Fricker had been in the hotel and garage acting suspiciously days before the attack, as well as the afternoon of the attack, and the hotel failed to notice him, apprehend him or make him leave.

Would be interested to know how she or her attorneys knew that and if the person who told them reported the sightings.

16 posted on 08/15/2009 8:21:36 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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PS: Unless she knows how to move through the garage like SWAT, I don’t know how she can walk with two kids and prevent someone from coming up behind her. I wonder what the hotel thinks she did wrong other than to stay at a Mariott.


17 posted on 08/15/2009 8:23:44 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: mainestategop

How is the hotel at fault here? Without knowing the details, it appears the only reason she is suing them is because they have money. If somebody stays at your house one night and then gets attacked in the driveway the next morning by some criminal should you be liable?


18 posted on 08/15/2009 8:23:53 AM PDT by Callahan
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The hotel also subpoenaed several people involved with the family, including a Pilates instructor, friends, tennis partners and the children's baby sitter. The woman's attorneys argue the individuals subpoenaed do not know anything about the attack, that the subpoenas inadvertently identified her to those people and that it was merely an effort by the hotel's attorneys to intimidate her.

Sounds like there are some major details missing or the attorneys are nuts. What does the kids babysitter, her Pilates instructor and tennis partners have to do with her getting raped in a hotel parking garage?

19 posted on 08/15/2009 8:26:34 AM PDT by retrokitten (I want to rock your gypsy soul just like way back in the days of old...- Into the Mystic)
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To: Callahan

Yes, IF you know a vagrant has been hanging around and acting strange for a few days and you do nothing about it...


20 posted on 08/15/2009 8:26:38 AM PDT by piytar (Being asked to report your neighbors to flag@whitehouse.gov is REAL FASCISM! NRA Lifetime Member)
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