Posted on 07/31/2009 4:30:00 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
The Obama "long form" birth certificate has been in question for a long time. A large movement is asking for his official birth record (see reasons below). Likewise, another movement is growing -- saying that the first group is nuts and is wasting everyone's time.
Lawsuits are continually being filed for proof of President Obama's eligibility. The latest from someone in the military.
The "Vault or Long Form" certificate has been wrongly interchanged with the "Certificate of Live Birth" as proof of birth although they are two different documents.
Although I do not subscribe to either side of the debate, here are some of the alleged reasons floating around on the internet fueling the movement for the President to prove his eligibility to lead our country. (i.e. do not shoot this messenger)
A video explains why Obama is not eligible according to the law (YouTube video)
Obama was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Hawai'i (snopes)
Obama was born at Queens Medical Center in Hawai'i (snopes screen shot)
Kenyan Ambassador Peter NRO Ogego says Obama was born in Kenya (sound recording from on-air Detroit WRIF radio show to Kenyan Embassy)
Obama's birth certificate was thrown out in 2001 when the hospital went paperless (See LA Times)
Obama's birth certificate was NOT thrown out in 2001 when the hospital went paperless (Same above LA Times article)
"We don't destroy vital records," says Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman.
Obama's birth certificate number is later than the Nordyke twins even though he was born a day earlier (Free Republic w/substantiating links)
Obama was born in Kenya according to Kenyan grandma (YouTube video)
Obama online "proof" of birth certificate likely came from PhotoBucket (Isreal Insider)
Kenya has sealed Obamas' medical records (source scrubbed)
Obama's birth certificate was lost in a fire at the hospital
Winnie the Poohs birth certificate is more authentic than Obamas (Canada Free Press)
Hawaiian law: [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child. (b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate. (c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
Obama's birth certificate was eaten by the dog (ok …I made that up)
Not an unreasonable fear. It's possible one stole our country.
By the way, Obama was born in 1961, NOT 1986.
Yes, and that case is heading for Florida.
You wrote-
“I would add to your list:
A decorated, combat experienced Army Individual Ready Reserve Officer volunteered to deploy to a war zone, but demanded the Commander in Chief demonstrate his eligibility to hold the office before he deployed. His orders were quickly canceled and his Security Clearance was suspended. (Cook v. Good)”
Er, I don’t think I understand what you said.
The 1986 law (and the previous law as well) held that -
- If born in the US, no matter to who - Citizen, no other conditions required.
- If born outside the US to one citizen - age and residency requirements.
I think his campaign to hide his BC might prove perjury.
You could argue that he understood the law incorrectly. The fact that he hid his BC proves that he knew very well what he was doing.
I'm sure there are a lot of 'Barack Hussein Obama's' out there in this country, so it's probably just that. /sarc
I’m sure that perjury = impeachment. However, if he’s impeached, his partner Biden takes over, giving the Dems more political capital to burn. We don’t want that either do we? His controversy is starting to tear apart the Democratic party, so let’s continue to show the facts and let that happen instead, and see more success with Congress in the next two elections.
Gee, are those 39 social security numbers the same ssn’s used by his Czars? Congress doesn’t get to meet the Czars.
>I have a passport and a birth certificate.<
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But you’re not the POTUS and you’re an American. In today’s globalized political world the US must have a UN approved president. It’s now a Kenyan’s turn. Who knows who will be next — Kim Yong Il, perhaps.
I agree and the courts cannot ignore this forever.
You wrote-
“I think his campaign to hide his BC might prove perjury.
You could argue that he understood the law incorrectly. The fact that he hid his BC proves that he knew very well what he was doing.”
Sure, but we are using the 1986 law for the purpose of its definition of the requirements for citizenship.
The previous law was the same, the differences were in its age and residency requirements in the case of foreign birth.
Which one applies ? Do these laws matter in the Constitutional test ? Are they relevant ? Nobody knows, and nobody proposing any legal theory has the authority to prevail, and certainly nobody has a good reason to get huffy about it.
What you may have read at DU is not law.
This Congress is not going to impeach him no matter what he does. I mean, really, that is Science Fiction.
Maybe after 2010, but even then I doubt it.
Also, to go with your posting, US Constitution Section 9, Clause 3 prohibits the passing of ex po facto (retroactive) laws by Congress, so the 86 law would not extend to Obama.
I don’t read anything in DU.
On the other hand I doubt you read at all.
That may very well be true, and will be shown by his actions.
Oh, you like to read? Read message #34 here!
What does that have to do with this case ? Born in Hawaii means he was a citizen under the previous law as well.
And you are certainly not a “real patriotic american”. I would be ashamed to claim you as a fellow citizen, you insect.
There are 2 great articles on this.
American Thinker
Obama’s birth debate: It’s about loyalty
By James Lewis
AND
National Review online
Suborned in the U.S.A.
by Andrew C. McCarthy
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