Posted on 07/30/2009 12:56:51 AM PDT by MissTickly
Consider this thought:
If we can get the folks in Hawaii to say that they determine ‘a person’ is a Natural Born Citizen in part by looking at BOTH parents citizenship, we know Obama lied about who his real father is. Or was mistaken.
Interesting and not impossible to have them answer that question as long as it is phrased like this:
“How does the department determine a person is a Natural-Born American Citizen? What criteria does the Director use to determine that status?”
You cannot refer to Obama, at all, when you ask the question. That would violate statute so they couldn't answer.
I implore people to try to get this answer from Janice Okubo.
If he lied about his father or was mistaken, the name on the ballots in all 50 states may not be his REAL NAME. And of course it would mean lots of other things, too.
Thats a good question, because it is crystal clear to me that the Hawaiian definition of Natural Born is NOT the same as the Constitutional definition. Obama is relying on HAWAII’S DEFINITION!
There is no law that states that in order to be a natural born citizen, that both parents must be U.S. citizens.
However, there is this:
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Anyone born inside the United States * Citizen at Birth = Natural Born Citizen
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
OR his father isn’t who he said he is and instead is an American citizen.
But who is he and is Obama’s last name, really Obama?
Nope. Not the same as a Natural-Born citizen.
...... Uh.... I might have a case for that. I have a COLB that was printed in 2000 with a 2007 date on it. The DHD is looking into it right now.
Lot's of people say that, but not a single one can point to legislation that defines natural born citizen in the manner that you claim.
I wonder why that is?
Marshal? lol No seriously, if his current COLB was issued by Hawaii, then the last amendment was to Obama Sr’s name and him as daddy. Does that mean at least 2 amendments. Curious minds want to know... lol
She is a liberal. She thinks he was born in a manger to a virgin.
I haven’t defined it and I have asked Hawaii to explain the criteria they used.
I just know that what you posted clearly is not a definition of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN or your definition would say so. It doesn’t.
Under the Uniform Information Practices Act of the State of Hawaii, "...the people are vested with the ultimate decision-making power. Government agencies exist to aid the people in the formation and conduct of public policy. Opening up the government processes to public scrutiny and participation is the only viable and reasonable method of protecting the public's interest. Therefore the legislature declares that it is the policy of this State that the formation and conduct of public policy—the discussions, deliberations, decisions, and action of government agencies—shall be conducted as openly as possible."
Please send me an electronic copy of the written criteria by which the Hawaii Department of Health determines that a person is a natural born American citizen.
Also please send me an electronic copy of any written communications between the Hawaii Department of Health and Barack Obama or anyone claiming to represent Barack Obama concerning Mr. Obama's birth certificate, certificate of live birth, certification of live birth, and/or supplemental birth certificate or certification of live birth from Jan. 1, 2008 through July 29, 2009.
Please consider this request as a Hawaii UIPA (Uniform Information Practices Act) request under section 92F-12.
Thank you.
For sure he isn’t the son of Malcolm x. He would have been welcomed as the second coming of Christ by the black community.
LOL. Nice.
A law is not a law simply because you say it is a law.
Instead, you need to find legislation that defines NBC to be as you say and you are not able to do that.
Citizen of the world Obama. America has made its biggest blunder. A culmination of 60 years of steep decline. Only a few of us see the looming disaster.
I don’t claim to know the definition I said. I can just read clearly yours is not it.
Now, I want to know what Hawaii thinks a NBC is.
You are good! But will you send the exact same thing and use the word SUPPLEMENTARY Birth Certificate instead?
Way to go!
I will send what you wrote with the word SUPPLEMENTARY, too!
Sure it is. If Obama was not born on the island and has a british father and a mother who can not confer citizenship, that Obama had a late filed registration of live birth, he has an amended file and is not a Natural Born Citizen.
The point is, we don’t know what is in the file, and until we DO we can not say for sure that Obama is a Natural Born citizen under the FEDERAL defination of Natural Born.
In Hawaii the AMENDED birth Certificate, regardless of circumstances because Hawaii allowed the registration of foregin born babies, has the SAME legal weight as a baby born in a hospital with a Dr. signature on the thing. This means that according to Hawaiian standards an Amended Birth certificate gives Natural Born Status under Hawaiian law.
This of course does not meet FEDERAL standards for Natural Born.
I am referring to your wording on the other matter when I say add the word supplementary of course.
But this new request I love too!!
I have to add here that the press releases from Hawaii do say something like ‘in accordance with Hawaiian law’ thats a paraphrase, but it amounts to that.
He was born in Hawaii and therefore is a natural born citizen.
However, if he were born on Mars to an American mother, he would also be a natural born citizen and a liar.
In Hawaii the AMENDED birth Certificate, regardless of circumstances because Hawaii allowed the registration of foregin born babies, has the SAME legal weight as a baby born in a hospital with a Dr. signature on the thing. This means that according to Hawaiian standards an Amended Birth certificate gives Natural Born Status under Hawaiian law.
No, the law you speak of was not passed until 1982 and states that babies born out of STATE not out of the country.
Here it is:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
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