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To: Danae
If Obama was not born on the island and has a british father and a mother who can not confer citizenship, that Obama had a late filed registration of live birth, he has an amended file and is not a Natural Born Citizen.

He was born in Hawaii and therefore is a natural born citizen.

However, if he were born on Mars to an American mother, he would also be a natural born citizen and a liar.

In Hawaii the AMENDED birth Certificate, regardless of circumstances because Hawaii allowed the registration of foregin born babies, has the SAME legal weight as a baby born in a hospital with a Dr. signature on the thing. This means that according to Hawaiian standards an Amended Birth certificate gives Natural Born Status under Hawaiian law.

No, the law you speak of was not passed until 1982 and states that babies born out of STATE not out of the country.

Here it is:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm

40 posted on 07/30/2009 2:17:40 AM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Spaulding sent me this, I think he is right.

Danae, you are on the right track. But FEDERAL, to me, implies laws. The term Natural Born Citizen comes from our constitution, and can’t be changed except by amendment, and that has been tried at least two dozen times. We don’t really need Obama’s birth certificate, and Hawaii couldn’t confer natural born citizenship on Obama, only nature can, and that was the whole idea.

Born of the soil and of parents who are its citizens is one of several statements of what it means to be natural born.
Don’t get wrapped up in the variations which arose because of translations from the French of Law of Nations. You may see ‘Native born Citizen’ or ‘indigene’. They are the same. Citizen by birth is not the same. It is the meaning from Law of Nations, and only that meaning which counts. You can find it in Vattel’s Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, used by our founders as their principle reference in writing both the Declaration and our Constitution. How do I know? Because John Jay and Benjamin Franklin both said so. How do I know natural born citizen came from Vattel? Because Chief Justice John Marshall said so in The Venus, 12 U.S. 253 (1814). He said that Vattel’s definition was authoritative and quoted from The Law of Nations.
http://supreme.justia.com/us/12/253/case.html

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49 posted on 07/30/2009 10:20:37 AM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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